Bluesky just verified ICE
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It's just all emotion and no rational thought now. People just go into outrage mode when certain topics are mentioned.
Really it opens a channel to criticize ICE without needing to logon to X to do so. But that's bad because preventing communication is good?
Of course I doubt ICE will care about criticism directed towards their account on bluesky. But that means things said on the internet don't have much of an effect on things, which means it doesn't matter whether they're on bluesky (or any other forum).
Mostly it's about some weird belief by some about controlling what is being said on the internet gains power. You'd think the events that have happened would have proven this wrong, but still people continue to be upset about things being said on the internet and want some power over those things.
Really words on the internet don't matter as much as people think, and the idea of blocking unwanted information is annoying at best and can lead to ignorance. What matters is the horrible acts ICE is doing. We should want more light being shown on them, and welcome any potential channel of discussion.
Wanting to prevent discussion indicates you feel you're in the wrong. ICE is indicating they want discussion, while those that are outraged by ICE being on bluesky are indicating they don't want discussion on ICE. Why would anyone want to make is seem ICE is in the right while they're in the wrong? It's people not thinking and only reacting emotionally and handing ICE a W because they are raging instead of thinking.
Yeah, the reactive group signaling stuff does more harm than good, just further perpetuating the conditions that allow propaganda to proliferate. This includes intentionally using the wrong words, for dramatic effect. Wholly agree that more, rational conversation and LESS insularity is the best path forward.
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I .. don't understand? Are they bad because they verified them? Why the "welcome" comment, that's not what Verification is? Are they "platforming" them? I don't get what is the preferred outcomes?
They verified that the account belonged to ICE and didn't ban it for being, you know, the fucking gestapo.
Where nazis are welcome, no one else is.
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Yeah, I can see that perspective too, but at the same time it's Nazi propaganda they're posting. There aren't really any good options.
Yeah, but at the same time it's kinda good for people to be able to see the kind of shit they're posting for themselves.
It is propaganda, but it's not good propaganda, and that's what the community fact checking thing is meant to counter, imo.
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Yeah, so? Verification just means they are who they say they are. It doesn't mean Bluesky endorses their posts.
The White House has a verified Bluesky account, too. They haven't posted anything in months, though, presumably because of all the ratio-ing.
Most of the White House accounts were boosted by freshly created accounts. They got flagged in multiple lists immediately after joining and their engagement went to hell. After that, they got bored and went back to the nazi platform. Good moderation tools for the community helps.
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They verified that the account belonged to ICE and didn't ban it for being, you know, the fucking gestapo.
Where nazis are welcome, no one else is.
..but are they welcome, though?
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You can verify yourself on Mastodon by including a piece of HTML code in your site's header.
Literally everyone can do that, even government agencies. I have it on my blog. What do we do then?
If ICE where to join a fediverse instance they would most likely get insta-banned or their instanced would be defederated from large portions of the fediverse very quick.
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The verification is from Blue Sky itself saying that the account is indeed ICE agency.
Fuck ICE they should not be having a a platform
I just think there's an opening here to humiliate them more
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Yeah, I wasn't the clearest here. I thought they shouldn't be allowed on there at all, but I'm rethinking it now.
Like, if they post a nazi thing they can be admonished and punished and shown for what they are, but if they just are ignored, what's the platform for? We want to expose and ridicule them as much as possible
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I just think there's an opening here to humiliate them more
As fun trolling Fascists is the point is to get them to go away and never come back.
Giving them a verified account is counter to that goal
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solid majority of the popular vote
narrow plurality
It's worth pointing out that "lesser of two evils" reasoning is used by both parties. White privileged "libertarians" voted fascist because they felt unrepresented too.
Every single elected official who isn't explicitly against FPTP was OK with this outcome. They know about the spoiler effect.
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it's called guilt by assocation. it's shitty and lame type of logical fallacy
if you live on the same street as a nazi, you must be a nazi. because apparently you have to sell your home and move away if a nazi moves in.
of course, if you do this and it's a non-white person you are racist... and a bad person, but if you do it for a nazi you're a good person.
it's not as if the logic of the thing is what at's fault, and the accuser has hyperbolic sense of other people's social obligations to appeal to their sensibility.
I'm not sure where to start here, so here are two equally important building blocks.
First, aside from other reasons the Nazi/minority is wrong, you are comparing a label somebody gets for existing the way they were born with a label somebody gets for actions they take that harm other people.
Second, some kind of mishmash of the terms "social contract" and "paradox of tolerance."
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..but are they welcome, though?
They've been given a platform to spread their hate. Yes.
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I deleted my account on BlueSky since last Sept. BlueSky is pretty trash
BlueSky - Because maybe we can go back to the way things were?
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It's just all emotion and no rational thought now. People just go into outrage mode when certain topics are mentioned.
Really it opens a channel to criticize ICE without needing to logon to X to do so. But that's bad because preventing communication is good?
Of course I doubt ICE will care about criticism directed towards their account on bluesky. But that means things said on the internet don't have much of an effect on things, which means it doesn't matter whether they're on bluesky (or any other forum).
Mostly it's about some weird belief by some about controlling what is being said on the internet gains power. You'd think the events that have happened would have proven this wrong, but still people continue to be upset about things being said on the internet and want some power over those things.
Really words on the internet don't matter as much as people think, and the idea of blocking unwanted information is annoying at best and can lead to ignorance. What matters is the horrible acts ICE is doing. We should want more light being shown on them, and welcome any potential channel of discussion.
Wanting to prevent discussion indicates you feel you're in the wrong. ICE is indicating they want discussion, while those that are outraged by ICE being on bluesky are indicating they don't want discussion on ICE. Why would anyone want to make is seem ICE is in the right while they're in the wrong? It's people not thinking and only reacting emotionally and handing ICE a W because they are raging instead of thinking.
Yep. Better to have these assholes than not.
Also verification isn’t complicated. Anyone can do it.
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I get why this would bug people.
It's a small act of legitimizing the domestic Gestapo, but we've already seen that the corporate social media is a-okay with platforming terrorists, Nazis, and the worst.
That's why we're on Lemmy instead.
Pretty sure American tax dollars are what legitimized ice, unfortunately.
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ICE is attacking and brutalizing people, daily. Killing them. Blinding them. They do not deserve any platform for them to post their hate.
Haven’t posted yet? So what? This is some dumbass free speech absolutism that brought us to timelines like these.
US govt has been doing that for a long time outside America. Obama incinerated plenty of kids where’s the calls to have him removed?
Just seems a bit racist is all
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We also want to ensure that conservatives are repeatedly alienated so they build their own networks and never see other points of view! /s
But mostly just don't want to see points of view that we disagree with.
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On paper it's a government agency which would normally be allowed to have verification.
However it is a government agency functioning more like a hate group, right now very inimical to the concept and idea of civil rights (already enshrined as law), and hostile to diversity and social justice; with absolutely no regulation of its activities, it is an agency mandated directly by the executive to remove anyone who is not white and Christian.
Unfortunately, Bluesky still has to verify them.
Why does Bluesky have to verify them? They are a terror group, using social media to recruit and further their racist terrorism. I don't think they should be pre-emptively banned necessarily but I don't buy these arguments here about how they must be given a microphone to broadcast nazi messages.
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solid majority of the popular vote
narrow plurality
Even then it's highly dubious that it was even a plurality. Vote counts in swing states were HIGHLY irregular and 100% controlled by Musk.
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But mostly just don't want to see points of view that we disagree with.
Echo chamber in different words. I grew up with a lot of conservatives. Hard second amendment people. They listen if you listen
