Discord will restrict your account next month unless you scan ID or face
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I only use the platform to manage my dodgy IPTV subscription. Presumably they'll be ditching Discord as well once they realise that they need to provide ID.
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By your logic, we might also remove "Are you 18+?" questions from mainstream porn sites, cause children might not lie and go to a shadier site where it will not ask for their age.
Man. I am not even sure if Discord is better than some shady porn sites. Cause unless you are from another galaxy, you probably heard not so "child friendly" stories about what children been exposed on some lesser known discord channels. Some of the times the content is something you'd struggle to find in open web.
In any case, children would find explicit content anywhere else if they want to. So there is no particular reason to be afraid of ID verification since it doesn't necessary change that fact.
I'm fine with the 18+ question because it atleast explicitly requires people to know they're entering that site. You can't argue kids are exposed by accident if they click "Enter".
As for ID verification, I'm against it for my own privacy, if nothing else changes for kids, then what is the argument to have it for adults? (Besides authoritarian control)
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Legally, they can't be sure you didn't sell the account, even if the email address is the same.
Not defending the policy here, it's bullshit. But I'm simply pointing out that they have excuses to beat any logic you throw at them. Logic has nothing to do with it, so it can't be beaten by logic either.
Selling accounts is against the TOS, surely they can’t be liable if that’s the case.
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They won't even send a verification email to my gmail account so I can sign up.
They were suffering with email issues due to the "hug of death" effect, try again now maybe it'll work
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I'm fine with the 18+ question because it atleast explicitly requires people to know they're entering that site. You can't argue kids are exposed by accident if they click "Enter".
As for ID verification, I'm against it for my own privacy, if nothing else changes for kids, then what is the argument to have it for adults? (Besides authoritarian control)
Age verification is not mandatory. Unless you want to browse NSFW content. You can ignore age verification and keep browsing adult content somewhere else.
I believe many would not verify themselves, groups that do adult content would lose majority of user base. So they would move somewhere else where I assume their user base would follow.
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If the pushback on social media doesn't get Discord to drop these plans, then I'll just have to delete the app.
Not caving to another app asking for Personally Identifiable Information (PII) only for this same data to be leaked months to years later.
Society will do everything to protect children aside from making better parents.
The parenting aspect is a red herring. Nothing about these policies is really to 'protect the children'. The big tech groups have figured out that they can gate-keep ... everything... and require your pii/data to get to it; and that many/most people will give up that data to keep access to their content.
That said, teaching your children about the importance of privacy is becoming as important as teaching them about other harmful online content. "Don't trust a Nigerian prince, let me know if you're being bullied, don't watch porn* and don't scan your face to get on discord"
* until you're 18-ish, at which point go nuts, just know it's all fake.
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Not really. At the beginning it was amazing. It took 0 resources to run while gaming and the call quality was miles ahead, nevermind the flexibility around servers and what you could do with them.
Then, as all things, it turned to shit once ot gained market share.
It was an embedded browser embedded website crap since i know it (since 6 years), like m$ crap
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Not really. At the beginning it was amazing. It took 0 resources to run while gaming and the call quality was miles ahead, nevermind the flexibility around servers and what you could do with them.
Then, as all things, it turned to shit once ot gained market share.
This is one of the real root causes of enshittification, particularly around privacy.
Once a product is profitable, the profit needs to be protected. That's not really a slight against it, just a reality of capitalism. Those developers expect their jobs to persist. Middle management probably wants to keep those developers on staff. C-suite needs number-go-up to keep their jobs (fuck them, but if number-go-down then other people lose their jobs too). Adhering to regulations limits the risk of the government suing the company to oblivion.
Discord has been big enough for a while that it needs to be aware of the legal and political landscape in order to survive. This is just them limiting their risk. It will cost them customers -- sort of: I'm gone, and have been since September when they updated their TOS, but I've also never given them any money and I've never seen an ad other than theirs. I've been nothing but a cost, so maybe good riddance?
Discord is not the enemy here. The enemy is congress/parliament and the power grabs they keep enacting. Big Tech has captured our governments and wants our data. The 'for the children' angle is such a trope that everyone who isn't a potato can see through it, and we need to tell our leaders that this isn't acceptable.
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You do know that it's bullshit? Unless they're incredibly incompetent they're lying to you. If the data never leaves the client then all the checks are client-side, which means it's relatively easy (compared to a server side check) to bypass those checks.
Afaik the files exfiltrated were photos that the on device detection could not identify and were uploaded to verify server side. That would mean not all pictures are sent to the backend, and that corroborates why "only" 70k photos were stolen when discord has millions of users verified.
Of course you have to put your trust in a closed source system so best not to upload, but if true it's still a far cry from openly lying about it. It's probably explicitly stated in their ToS that they may upload the file if the verification fails client side. -
This is one of the real root causes of enshittification, particularly around privacy.
Once a product is profitable, the profit needs to be protected. That's not really a slight against it, just a reality of capitalism. Those developers expect their jobs to persist. Middle management probably wants to keep those developers on staff. C-suite needs number-go-up to keep their jobs (fuck them, but if number-go-down then other people lose their jobs too). Adhering to regulations limits the risk of the government suing the company to oblivion.
Discord has been big enough for a while that it needs to be aware of the legal and political landscape in order to survive. This is just them limiting their risk. It will cost them customers -- sort of: I'm gone, and have been since September when they updated their TOS, but I've also never given them any money and I've never seen an ad other than theirs. I've been nothing but a cost, so maybe good riddance?
Discord is not the enemy here. The enemy is congress/parliament and the power grabs they keep enacting. Big Tech has captured our governments and wants our data. The 'for the children' angle is such a trope that everyone who isn't a potato can see through it, and we need to tell our leaders that this isn't acceptable.
I agree with everything you said, but Discord is also an asshole itself. It could not sell out, but it did. There are plenty of projects who kept their integrity against selling out even though they could've generated millions
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Let's protect the children by scanning everyone's face and ID and uploading them to a server that'll get hacked five years from now.
Disclaimer: I don't like Discord and stopped using it years ago. And this announcement is just another step on the road to enshittification. It's a shit corporation going public and becoming more shit in the process. Simply don't use their shit.
However, it seems a bit rage-baity to claim that Discord will require age verification for all users. That simply doesn't seem to be true. Age verification will be required for users who don't feel the basic features are enough. Were I still dumb enough to use Discord, I don't think I'd feel the need to go for the age verified account.
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It was an embedded browser embedded website crap since i know it (since 6 years), like m$ crap
Well yes, it was, but it worked, and it was still better than everything else. I've been on discord for 9 years.
Embedded browsers aren't necessarily bad design. They're super fast to develop, and if done well, can work super efficiently. A browser can have a billion tabs open and work just fine. The same can go with an electron app given that the devs give 2 shits about optimization.
Though if the Discord team doesn't care about optimizing the electron app, they wouldn't give a shit about optimizing a desktop app either.
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I mean, I share the complaint of Discord having tons of unindexable knowledge locked away in it, but forums are not good replacement for my friend group. So yeah we kinda want a Discord alternative specifically.
Matrix is great for this. Fluffy chat is a client that even uses jitsi for video chats
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It sucks that many projects that I am interested in, such as Touhoumon Puppet Dance Encore and assorted hentai projects that are on the platform. For now, I put up with it - but I am very much hoping alternatives are adopted by creators.
I'm worried about the one open source porn game that's been slowly getting revived over the years. This will probably kill it as the only dev activity was in the discord.
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I'm very interested in this question too. I tried Mumble but it looks like it does not support screen streaming which honestly is pretty good. 99% of my discord use since I stopped playing wow is just hanging around with 3 friends of mine and speaking about crap. We like to play or watch movies together and it's nice to be able to share stuff.
Same, screen sharing in a group chat is a must. Been looking at Matrix/Element but it looks like hell to set up and maintain and I'm the only one with the setup to run it.
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I only use the platform to manage my dodgy IPTV subscription. Presumably they'll be ditching Discord as well once they realise that they need to provide ID.
There are dodgy alternatives that require nothing of the sort.
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My discord account is about 10 years old. Do they assume I created it as a 6 year old? Account age alone should be enough to verify I'm an adult with reasonable certainty.
Naw, they assume they can tie all your conversations to some nexus realid and sell all your groups, likes, and dislikes for cash.
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Discord was always an overhyped crap.
I had to run a server for work. It was right after they put in boosts. At the time, I had to buy my own fucking boosts one at a time.
The whole platform only exists because they made the api easy enough that people could build on it.
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Back in the day before Discord, people used Teamspeak, not sure if it is still around, tho.
Teamspeak is still out there and I use it regularly. Since I've never cared about the posting aspect of discord they offer the exact same services.
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I hope there is a mass exodus from discord!
already making plans with my battle group t move to team speak 6, which is only an option because they now have screen sharing
