Discord will restrict your account next month unless you scan ID or face
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By all means, challenge your government, but I'm not going to upload my ID to a database to use Discord. I can self host a thing that will accomplish the same goals without doing something that stupid.
That's fine, and I hate Discord's general situation too, and I can't wait for a properly federated self-hostable open source alternative to take off. But it just seems a bit knee-jerk or straw that broke the camel's back to throw Discord under the bus specifically for this. To be clear, you don't actually need to provide ID, you can either continue using a limited account (it's barely limited at all in any serious way unless you're using Discord for NSFW stuff) or you can attempt to validate your face with a camera instead, which supposedly happens completely on-device. Either one is a totally reasonable alternative.
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I'll scan my ass.
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That's fine, and I hate Discord's general situation too, and I can't wait for a properly federated self-hostable open source alternative to take off. But it just seems a bit knee-jerk or straw that broke the camel's back to throw Discord under the bus specifically for this. To be clear, you don't actually need to provide ID, you can either continue using a limited account (it's barely limited at all in any serious way unless you're using Discord for NSFW stuff) or you can attempt to validate your face with a camera instead, which supposedly happens completely on-device. Either one is a totally reasonable alternative.
If you believe that photo validation lives entirely on your device, you might be surprised by how many times the tech industry straight up lies about this kind of stuff, but I don't trust that for a minute.
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Well yes, I would say it's very much an integral part of my social life.
I spend a lot of time with my gamer friends and it revolves around our discord servers.
We even have a discord servers dedicated to our role play sessions.
IMHO Discord is a bit more than just a voice chat app. It's also rooms with persistant chats. It's the ability to share media etc.
Also their noise reduction tech is top notch.
I knew when I got in that it would be another "Gmail" for me. It's great but you have to give a bit of your soul to it and I knew it would enshitify eventually.
Fair enough, while I use discord it is not as big a part of my social life as it is for you. I only have a few servers I am in, and even then I am only active part of the time and not a "super user" by any means.
That is the unfortunate thing about nearly every app/website/software that the enshittification happens sooner than we would like. I'm hoping that this is a bigger non-issue than what it seems based on the announcement, and even then, only time will tell.
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I'll scan my ass.
They'll have a "retina" scan of a brown-eyed cyclops.
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Sure.
But what are you replacing it with ?
I tried Mumble and Teamspeak in the past and it's pretty far from the same level of comfort.
Don't take that the wrong way though, I'm all for supporting open alternatives, I'm just saying you have to think about the features of the alternatives too.
I just saw something about Stoat.chat which seems like a good open source software for that application but a lot of people will have to bear the cost of self hosting these servers.
I know I will think carefully before slamming the door on discord.
I did start a projects aiming to be a more decentralized/federated discord more akin to how IRC was back in the day. Time to revisit it, it seems.
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Fair enough, while I use discord it is not as big a part of my social life as it is for you. I only have a few servers I am in, and even then I am only active part of the time and not a "super user" by any means.
That is the unfortunate thing about nearly every app/website/software that the enshittification happens sooner than we would like. I'm hoping that this is a bigger non-issue than what it seems based on the announcement, and even then, only time will tell.
For context my country (France) is trying to pass a law that forbids the use of social networks to users younger than 15yo. So I suppose this move from Discord is partly due to that.
Now that being said I would hope the verification process will have much more scrutiny in Europe than it would in the US.
I would definitely not be happy about it but if they are not allowed to keep any of the verification data afterwards it could be "acceptable". But if I have the feeling they keep any data I will actively look into building a Stoat instance and try the even harder task of convincing my friends to switch over.
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Maybe this bullshit will be the spark needed to move us all off Discord. It's fine for voice-chat in games, don't get me wrong, but I HATE how its replaced forums/wikis for so many games/mods/etc. Searching disparate Discord servers is like looking for a nonferrous straw-colored needle in a haystack.
People are already looking to migrate to checks notes apps exactly like discord.
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I did start a projects aiming to be a more decentralized/federated discord more akin to how IRC was back in the day. Time to revisit it, it seems.
A federation based discord would be amazing !
But still that's a big challenge as voice chat will be costly to host.
Also out of curiosity do you aim for something that would connect through the fediverse ?
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Half of Lemmy, for some reason: grr we hate kids!!! Ban them from social media!!!!
Lemmy users when platforms start doing as they asked:
Almost like social sites arent monolithic, and different people can be outraged by different things!
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Wow I guess I get to finally dump Discord as my last proprietary chat app.
There are lots of self hosted alternatives like Mattermost, Mumble, and Matrix (decentralized).
There's also the new Freenet River demo: https://freenet.org/quickstart/
Maybe I'll make my own discord clone lol.
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A federation based discord would be amazing !
But still that's a big challenge as voice chat will be costly to host.
Also out of curiosity do you aim for something that would connect through the fediverse ?
Didn't have much of an aim beyond trying to cook it up from scratch as a personal research project. That includes the protocol, since I'm handling priv/pub keypairs in a creative way to facilitate both encryption and user identity verification.
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Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult
from the official release.
I wonder if it'll function like Twitch where you can get tons of people banned all at once by getting them to say they're under 13.
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I won't even give hard drives when recycling a computer, I pull and smash myself. Last set of old drives I cut in half with bolt cutters.
That's overkill, a couple of passes with dd and it's irrecoverable.
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That's overkill, a couple of passes with dd and it's irrecoverable.
A couple of passed with dd takes way longer than bolt cutters and it’s much less satisfying
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Anyone remember xFire? It was better 15 years ago than Discord ever was or will be.
...damn I miss that shit. They were litigated out of existence by a frivolous lawsuit from Yahoo. This is why we can't have nice things.
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The thing is do you even need to replace it?
Yes, many of my childhood best friends live a 9 hour flight away.
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Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult
from the official release.
Sounds like creepy spyware
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I'll gladly scan a face. I just happen to look exactly like Gale Dekarios
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doubt it. better off just setting up channels in libera chat on IRC and doin voice via teamspeak/mumble like we used to do it back in the day.
shit, someone needs to bring back ICQ.
IRC protocol is audio capable.
