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’Stranger Things’ Creators Accused by Fans of Using AI To Write Series Finale

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  • paraphrandP paraphrand

    AI generated content has created an army of people who now have an accusation they can levy at any content they find to be poor quality without having to actually articulate any true assessment or critique of the content.

    It has also made it necessary or reflexive for even the most conscientious person to consider if content was AI generated. Even if they never share they are considering it. No one wants to praise something only to learn a computer shit it out.

    It’s all really corrosive to creativity and the place it holds in our social fabric.

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    darkcloud@lemmy.world
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    I'm glad the accusation has become a kind of insult, applied to low quality works.

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      hzl
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      I was fully convinced that nothing happening in the epilogue was real because of the sudden dramatic change of genre. I was suuure we were going to see at the very end that something sinister was still going on.

      I initially was thinking maybe everyone was dying and Eleven was giving them a time-dilated vision of happy lives while Hawkins was being ripped apart. The actual "twist" suggested by Mike was pretty lackluster in comparison.

      It was weird to see the tone change so much for such a substantial portion of the finale. Honestly you could just cut it off before the graduation and probably have a better ending.

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        "Everything I don't like is AI". Ugh.

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        • F fucking_cuno@lemmy.dbzer0.com

          Aside from a few blurry screenshots there’s no concrete evidence they used generative-AI while writing.

          Saved a click

          Sidenote, just because something is bad doesn't mean it has to be AI slop. Show runners were fucking up finales long before ChatGPT came on the scene

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          tpyoman
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          It's just like people who can't articulate why they hate a movie blame it all on CGI, it's just a scapegoat easy and quick to say.
          P.S. I'm not a proponent of LLMs I'm just stating an observation.

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            I was fully convinced that nothing happening in the epilogue was real because of the sudden dramatic change of genre. I was suuure we were going to see at the very end that something sinister was still going on.

            I initially was thinking maybe everyone was dying and Eleven was giving them a time-dilated vision of happy lives while Hawkins was being ripped apart. The actual "twist" suggested by Mike was pretty lackluster in comparison.

            It was weird to see the tone change so much for such a substantial portion of the finale. Honestly you could just cut it off before the graduation and probably have a better ending.

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            zephorah@discuss.online
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            My biggest story issue is, regardless of the reality, how are they not all buried in some government black site presided over by Linda Hamilton or some other 1980s star, for their involvement in interrupting:attempted interrupting of government plans? How is Hopper a cop after fucking with the government on the level he did? It included grenades.

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            • Z zephorah@discuss.online

              My biggest story issue is, regardless of the reality, how are they not all buried in some government black site presided over by Linda Hamilton or some other 1980s star, for their involvement in interrupting:attempted interrupting of government plans? How is Hopper a cop after fucking with the government on the level he did? It included grenades.

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              Gamma
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              Nancy gunned down dozens of soldiers and nobody batted an eye lmao

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                Nancy gunned down dozens of soldiers and nobody batted an eye lmao

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                zephorah@discuss.online
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                Yes, but, pixie Rambo was “cute” so it had to be.

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                  "Everything I don't like is AI". Ugh.

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                  calliope@retrolemmy.com
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                  And “people will click on something if we say it might be AI.” It is Vice, after all.

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                    I was fully convinced that nothing happening in the epilogue was real because of the sudden dramatic change of genre. I was suuure we were going to see at the very end that something sinister was still going on.

                    I initially was thinking maybe everyone was dying and Eleven was giving them a time-dilated vision of happy lives while Hawkins was being ripped apart. The actual "twist" suggested by Mike was pretty lackluster in comparison.

                    It was weird to see the tone change so much for such a substantial portion of the finale. Honestly you could just cut it off before the graduation and probably have a better ending.

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                    Iamsqueegee
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                    For as 80s as it was, they dropped the classic 80s ending of “but is it really over?” Totally expected some light blinking in the basement considering there were about 15 lightbulbs lit.

                    Have to say, the reintroduction of Max had heavy AI vibes.

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                      For as 80s as it was, they dropped the classic 80s ending of “but is it really over?” Totally expected some light blinking in the basement considering there were about 15 lightbulbs lit.

                      Have to say, the reintroduction of Max had heavy AI vibes.

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                      Drusas
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                      There was light "is it really over". The talk of moving to Montauk.

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                        ilandar@lemmy.today
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                        Admittedly I haven't watched the final episode yet so maybe it is the worst thing ever made for TV, but beyond the first season the show has always been pretty poorly written and cringe. Season 5 has lived up to expectations and reputation in that sense, I'm not really sure why people are getting this invested in it.

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                          I mean, it’s stranger things, it’s a fun show, not world changing. I enjoyed the final enough, wrapped things up. A little cheesy sure, but the entire show was.

                          People get so angry with disappointment, grow up, life is disappointment and unless you find ways to enjoy things, everything will suck. Go find more to enjoy, there’s so many stories out there, and infinitely more to be written.

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                            Admittedly I haven't watched the final episode yet so maybe it is the worst thing ever made for TV, but beyond the first season the show has always been pretty poorly written and cringe. Season 5 has lived up to expectations and reputation in that sense, I'm not really sure why people are getting this invested in it.

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                            spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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                            Yeah they started off strong, but declined with each successive season. I did watched the fourth season because for whatever reason I thought that would be the final season. Just kinda felt like it was past time they ended it. Even with the decline felt like I wanted to see how it ended.

                            Then I was really surprised when it didn't end in the last episode of Season 4. Haven't bothered to watch the actual final season. They should've ended it with Season 1. If not then end it with Season 2 or 3. They definitely should've ended it with Season 4. Still would've considered it a decent show. That show really overstayed it's welcome.

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                              I'm glad the accusation has become a kind of insult, applied to low quality works.

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                              paraphrand
                              wrote last edited by paraphrand@lemmy.world
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                              “Slop” was brewing as a term just as AI generated video blew up. It was primed for launch by drama slop YouTube channels and other content slop on video platforms. But it exploded into common use as a result of AI generated content flooding social media platforms.

                              I personally hate that slop has become so broad and loose of a term. For example, “friend slop” is a really shitty brain dead term for small multiplayer games like Peak. There’s always shitty people with no taste abusing useful terms like this.

                              I think “AI slop” is great tho. And big tech CEOs can cry all they want about that one.

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                                Iamsqueegee
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                                I’d heard unsubstantiated rumors of a Nancy & Robin spinoff.

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                                • paraphrandP paraphrand

                                  AI generated content has created an army of people who now have an accusation they can levy at any content they find to be poor quality without having to actually articulate any true assessment or critique of the content.

                                  It has also made it necessary or reflexive for even the most conscientious person to consider if content was AI generated. Even if they never share they are considering it. No one wants to praise something only to learn a computer shit it out.

                                  It’s all really corrosive to creativity and the place it holds in our social fabric.

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                                  I hate how it's being used as a scapegoat, and is letting rich assholes get away with the typical laziness that they have always employed.

                                  AI is a fucking tool. That's it! If you use it to write slop, that's on you, not the LLM.

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                                  • I Iamsqueegee

                                    For as 80s as it was, they dropped the classic 80s ending of “but is it really over?” Totally expected some light blinking in the basement considering there were about 15 lightbulbs lit.

                                    Have to say, the reintroduction of Max had heavy AI vibes.

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                                    Ech
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                                    Have to say, the reintroduction of Max had heavy AI vibes.

                                    They did some not-so-great de-aging in some scenes, basically Deepfake tech, I think. They had also used it in S4 for 11's flashbacks. No idea why they did it for Max's first scene since it was not used for her at any point after.

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                                      pjwestin@lemmy.world
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                                      Yup, this was my immediate reaction to Volume 2. There were large exposition dumps with generic dialog that could have been reassigned to any of the characters with minimal rewrite. It felt like they were having AI generate all the portions of the script they weren't interested in.

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                                        I was fully convinced that nothing happening in the epilogue was real because of the sudden dramatic change of genre. I was suuure we were going to see at the very end that something sinister was still going on.

                                        I initially was thinking maybe everyone was dying and Eleven was giving them a time-dilated vision of happy lives while Hawkins was being ripped apart. The actual "twist" suggested by Mike was pretty lackluster in comparison.

                                        It was weird to see the tone change so much for such a substantial portion of the finale. Honestly you could just cut it off before the graduation and probably have a better ending.

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                                        Ech
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                                        "Change of genre"? Wtf does that even mean? It was just a happily ever after wrapup. Not sure why that would be considered shocking.

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                                        • I Iamsqueegee

                                          I’d heard unsubstantiated rumors of a Nancy & Robin spinoff.

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                                          ohulancutash@feddit.uk
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                                          Neither of the spinoffs will feature any of the main cast.

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