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What is the definitive way to play certain games?

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  • F fyrilsol

    To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

    So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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    Coelacanth
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    Viva New Vegas for Fallout: New Vegas and the Unofficial Patch for VtM: Bloodlines are my go-to examples. Not a mod but Ninja Gaiden Black is the definitive version and much better than both
    Ninja Gaiden (2004) and Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

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    • F fyrilsol

      To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

      So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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      BurgerBaron
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      First off, here's a big list of unofficial ports:

      https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_unofficial_ports

      Dhewm 3 for Doom 3. Just updates the game engine to run better on modern hardware since id tech 4 is open source. Mod support sort of, not every mod is compatible. They helpfully list those that do here: https://dhewm3.org/mods.html

      The Sims 2 High DPI patch, self explanatory:
      https://github.com/lah7/sims2-4k-ui-patch

      VCMI - Heroes of Might and Magic 3 open source engine/game extension. Has a built in mod manager, really handy: https://vcmi.eu/

      Coming soon / WIP: I'm excited to play this port of the MS-DOS game Albion when it reaches feature parity with the original:

      https://github.com/csinkers/ualbion

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      • P peffse@lemmy.world

        OpenRCT2 is 100% the definitive way to play Roller Coaster Tycoon 1 & 2.

        But I would never recommend a new player try OpenRA. The game has stellar multiplayer support but they just can't figure out the campaign scripting at all. Go with the remaster collection instead.

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        quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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        Still? I haven't played OpenRA in several years and assumed they would have fixed it by now.

        Then again Red Alert 2 is even less supported than it was the last time I checked, so I'm guessing their focus is mostly on the multiplayer side of things.

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        • F fyrilsol

          To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

          So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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          I've been playing BG3 with a loot randomizer. It really makes you have to think about your builds because you can't rely on certain gear anymore. Makes it almost feel like a roguelike.

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          • Q quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world

            There are a host of open source remakes of old game engines that fix bugs and update them for modern systems as well as add support for higher resolutions and widescreen aspect ratios. Here's a few off the top of my head:

            • OpenMW for The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. This is probably the most famous one.
            • Daggerfall Unity for The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall.
            • OpenRA for Red Alert, Tiberian Dawn, Dune 2000, and (in pre-alpha form) Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 (the latter requiring extra fiddling with Github repositories).
            • KeeperFX for Dungeon Keeper.
            • OpenRCT2 for Roller Coaster Tycoon 2.
            • OpenTTD for Transport Tycoon Deluxe.
            • OpenJKDF2 for Dark Forces 2 and its standalone Mysteries of the Sith expansion.
            • Arx Libertatis for Arx Fatalis, though IIRC the version sold now integrates an older build of it; one without the fixes for glyph drawing - it's worth upgrading for that alone as spellcasting is a nightmare without the fix.
            • TRX for Tomb Raider I and II.
            • Tfix, T2Fix, and the Sneaky Upgrade for Thief 1/2/3 respectively. These are mods, not wholesale engine replacements, but serve the same purpose.

            These are just the ones I know of. There are probably loads more.

            Edit: the Ur-Quan Masters for Star Control II. I can't believe I forgot about this! Star Control II is one of the best and most influential games that most people have never heard about.

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            jesus_666@lemmy.world
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            OpenXcom for the first two X-Com games (UFO: Enemy Unknown and X-Com: Terror From The Deep). This reimplementation is insanely good.

            • It fixes all known bugs of the original X-Com engine.
            • It works on modern systems, including Linux, macOS, Windows, and even Android.
            • It has support for modern resolutions and aspect ratios.
            • It allows you to use soundtracks from other versions of the game (e.g. look at the website's "Extras" tab).
            • It has mod support including a basic mod manager. And some of those mods are damn good.
            • It runs flawlessly.

            There's really no reason to play the original DOS versions anymore.

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            • F fyrilsol

              To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

              So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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              DrSleepless
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              Whichever way is most fun

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              • F fyrilsol

                To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

                So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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                missingno
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                #14

                For Chrono Trigger, definitely don't play the original SNES localization. No disrespect to Ted Woolsey, he was one man working on an unreasonably tight deadline and hard technical limitations, but the retranslation is much better.

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                • Q quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world

                  There are a host of open source remakes of old game engines that fix bugs and update them for modern systems as well as add support for higher resolutions and widescreen aspect ratios. Here's a few off the top of my head:

                  • OpenMW for The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. This is probably the most famous one.
                  • Daggerfall Unity for The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall.
                  • OpenRA for Red Alert, Tiberian Dawn, Dune 2000, and (in pre-alpha form) Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 (the latter requiring extra fiddling with Github repositories).
                  • KeeperFX for Dungeon Keeper.
                  • OpenRCT2 for Roller Coaster Tycoon 2.
                  • OpenTTD for Transport Tycoon Deluxe.
                  • OpenJKDF2 for Dark Forces 2 and its standalone Mysteries of the Sith expansion.
                  • Arx Libertatis for Arx Fatalis, though IIRC the version sold now integrates an older build of it; one without the fixes for glyph drawing - it's worth upgrading for that alone as spellcasting is a nightmare without the fix.
                  • TRX for Tomb Raider I and II.
                  • Tfix, T2Fix, and the Sneaky Upgrade for Thief 1/2/3 respectively. These are mods, not wholesale engine replacements, but serve the same purpose.

                  These are just the ones I know of. There are probably loads more.

                  Edit: the Ur-Quan Masters for Star Control II. I can't believe I forgot about this! Star Control II is one of the best and most influential games that most people have never heard about.

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                  yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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                  Aaaaand saved. Thanks!

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                  • F fyrilsol

                    To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

                    So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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                    Funnynate08
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                    Pokemon Red at 10fps on a gateway laptop circa 2004

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                    • Y yermaw@sh.itjust.works

                      Aaaaand saved. Thanks!

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                      peffse@lemmy.world
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                      https://osgameclones.com/

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                      • F fyrilsol

                        To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

                        So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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                        bitflip@lemmy.ml
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                        There's something like 20 versions of Machaarior 2. Dos versions are the best.

                        https://mech2.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=281

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                          Should I put the RAM back in?

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                          • F fyrilsol

                            To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

                            So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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                            regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
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                            Silent Hill - alone, in the dark.

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                            • N neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              I have been thinking of whether there was a pokemon mod that does something like this.

                              I’d like something that gets rid of trade evolutions and puts all 151 in a single game.

                              I’m sure it’s out there. So, I guess that’s my half assed attempt at an answer.

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                              UntimedDiffusion
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                              A modder named Drayano has pretty much defined this category of ROM hack and I think has his own version of every major game from generations 3-6

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                              • Q quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world

                                There are a host of open source remakes of old game engines that fix bugs and update them for modern systems as well as add support for higher resolutions and widescreen aspect ratios. Here's a few off the top of my head:

                                • OpenMW for The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. This is probably the most famous one.
                                • Daggerfall Unity for The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall.
                                • OpenRA for Red Alert, Tiberian Dawn, Dune 2000, and (in pre-alpha form) Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 (the latter requiring extra fiddling with Github repositories).
                                • KeeperFX for Dungeon Keeper.
                                • OpenRCT2 for Roller Coaster Tycoon 2.
                                • OpenTTD for Transport Tycoon Deluxe.
                                • OpenJKDF2 for Dark Forces 2 and its standalone Mysteries of the Sith expansion.
                                • Arx Libertatis for Arx Fatalis, though IIRC the version sold now integrates an older build of it; one without the fixes for glyph drawing - it's worth upgrading for that alone as spellcasting is a nightmare without the fix.
                                • TRX for Tomb Raider I and II.
                                • Tfix, T2Fix, and the Sneaky Upgrade for Thief 1/2/3 respectively. These are mods, not wholesale engine replacements, but serve the same purpose.

                                These are just the ones I know of. There are probably loads more.

                                Edit: the Ur-Quan Masters for Star Control II. I can't believe I forgot about this! Star Control II is one of the best and most influential games that most people have never heard about.

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                                wax@feddit.nu
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                                Adding two more

                                OpenJazz (Jazz Jackrabbit)

                                fheroes2 (Heroes of Might and Magic 2)

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                                • BurgerBaronB BurgerBaron

                                  First off, here's a big list of unofficial ports:

                                  https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_unofficial_ports

                                  Dhewm 3 for Doom 3. Just updates the game engine to run better on modern hardware since id tech 4 is open source. Mod support sort of, not every mod is compatible. They helpfully list those that do here: https://dhewm3.org/mods.html

                                  The Sims 2 High DPI patch, self explanatory:
                                  https://github.com/lah7/sims2-4k-ui-patch

                                  VCMI - Heroes of Might and Magic 3 open source engine/game extension. Has a built in mod manager, really handy: https://vcmi.eu/

                                  Coming soon / WIP: I'm excited to play this port of the MS-DOS game Albion when it reaches feature parity with the original:

                                  https://github.com/csinkers/ualbion

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                                  brsrklf@jlai.lu
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                                  Does VCMI includes the ability to play the original campaigns with everything they had, on whatever language they were installed? It's not clear in their FAQ.

                                  I tried installing the original with HD mod through lutris on a PC I am converting to linux, only to discover HD mod just doesn't support the French version of the game.

                                  Lutris apparently passes down the system language to the installer with no option to change it. I'm sure there is a way to change the install script, but I haven't really looked into it yet.

                                  If there's a way to pass down the French version in VCMI and get about the same improvements HD mod provides, and get all that to run natively, maybe I won't have to.

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                                  • B bitflip@lemmy.ml

                                    There's something like 20 versions of Machaarior 2. Dos versions are the best.

                                    https://mech2.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=281

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                                    dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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                                    Pyre Light intensifies

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                                    • F fyrilsol

                                      To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

                                      So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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                                      mech@feddit.org
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                                      The definitive way to play Skyrim is to take a shot every time someone says "dragon".

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                                      • M mech@feddit.org

                                        The definitive way to play Skyrim is to take a shot every time someone says "dragon".

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                                        c8r9vwdutey3zufqryvq@sopuli.xyz
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                                        Recommending that might be tantamount to manslaughter. Better check with a lawyer first.

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                                        • F fyrilsol

                                          To clarify, if I was introducing someone to the Diablo series for the first time and told them they'd have to start on the first one. I wouldn't want them playing the bare vanilla version. There is a Bezelbub mod out there that gives the game lots of QoL improvements, you'd be thinking you're playing a build of Diablo 2 before its final version.

                                          So, if I had to tell anyone what the best way to play that game would be, it is the Bezelbub mod. That was how I've beaten the first game anyways.

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                                          thundercomplex@lemmy.today
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                                          For League of Legends the definitive way to play is to not start. I swear I do not know of any other game that has such addictive properties while being so absolutely fucking awful. You don’t stop playing this game, You take extended breaks.
                                          Friends don’t let friends play League

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