Rhea Seehorn Wins Golden Globe for Best Actress in a TV Drama "Pluribus"
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The problem this show will have is the same problem all Apple+ shows have. We'll have to wait multiple years for season 2 and we'll have forgotten what happened in season 1 or just forget about the show entirely.
It could be worse, they could cancel most of their shit after season 1 or 2 like everybody else.
Does suck waiting years for subsequent series. I wish we could get some production quality drops in exchange for more focus on story, dialog and acting.
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The problem this show will have is the same problem all Apple+ shows have. We'll have to wait multiple years for season 2 and we'll have forgotten what happened in season 1 or just forget about the show entirely.
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That show was terrible. The character she plays seems to be on the verge of a mental breakdown every episode. The show is supposed to be comedic or something, but I couldn't laugh at any point in the show. The South America dude should've been the main character and put into a different setting. He was bad-ass and didn't just act like a little child throwing tantrums all the time.
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
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The problem this show will have is the same problem all Apple+ shows have. We'll have to wait multiple years for season 2 and we'll have forgotten what happened in season 1 or just forget about the show entirely.
Is that a problem though? The problem for me would be lackluster content and pushing out dozens terrible shows that producers do manage to push out on a yearly schedule. I much rather wait longer, for a better show. I actually believe it's an ad for a show if it has multiple years between seasons. It shows me, as a potential viewer, that the show prioritizes quality over quantity and that the IP is strong enough that the company producing the show is willing to invest in it that many years later.
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
I don't think the show is trying to convey that point, no, but Carol is definitely a self-centered, hypocritical asshole. Thing is, though, a whole lot of people (maybe even most people) are self-centered, hypocritical assholes. I quite like the fact that the main protagonist of the series is someone who was very much not cut out to be a hero, and who does what she does for completely ignoble reasons. I think it grounds the story and makes for complex characters; this isn't "Twilight" or one of the other YA fictions. It's convincingly real people put into a really fucked up situation and trying to understand it and deal with it to the best of their ability.
It's fair enough if that's not your bag, but I really like that about the show.
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
I think what gets missed a lot by folks who don't like her character is that it's good to have a character who is flawed and that sometimes those flaws arise from what they're going through.
She definitely has her issues, for sure. Yet it read to me that her issues arose far more from the combination of this world-changing event and losing her romantic partner in a very traumatic way. Not a lot of time has passed, at the end of the series less than three months have passed since "the joining" and Carol losing her partner. These traumatic events combined: losing the person you trusted and love the most and the whole world changing overnight with everyone thinking the event that killed your loved one is the best thing that could possibly ever happen. She has not had a lot of time to grieve and she obviously is grieving badly partially because her entire world has been turned upside down and she lost the person she loved. Carol's partner isn't one of the "others" waiting to be pulled out of their joined state back to normalcy, no she's dead and gone forever.
::: spoiler spoiler
That's why she tries to fall in love with Zosia. That's why she's so broken when Zosia admits they will infect her with the virus when they have the chance, that Carol's consent is immaterial. She is trying to fill the hole in her heart with this perfect avatar that is shaped like the dashing lover of her own fiction, chosen by the others specifically for that reason. It's unhealthy, but she has no other people to speak to in a "normal" way, and it's part of why she even tries to entice Zosia to speak as an individual, to make it more comfortable for herself. She is so filled with grief from loss of her partner and the world she knew that she is trying to recapture what she can of a feeling of being loved.
:::None of this justifies her being kind of an asshole, but I think that's the point. That she's imperfect, she knows something is wrong, but she doesn't have the skills to do anything about it, and she is spiraling from grief and loss of not just her loved one but her entire known way of life. She can't even do simple things like go to a grocery store and have it bustling with individuals anymore. Every aspect of life that was normalcy and comfort has been torn from her and she's in a bad way. This new world leaves her uncomfortable and feeling alienated. I can see myself spiraling and making selfish bad decisions in a similar situation as well, especially when only two and a half months have passed.
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I don't think the show is trying to convey that point, no, but Carol is definitely a self-centered, hypocritical asshole. Thing is, though, a whole lot of people (maybe even most people) are self-centered, hypocritical assholes. I quite like the fact that the main protagonist of the series is someone who was very much not cut out to be a hero, and who does what she does for completely ignoble reasons. I think it grounds the story and makes for complex characters; this isn't "Twilight" or one of the other YA fictions. It's convincingly real people put into a really fucked up situation and trying to understand it and deal with it to the best of their ability.
It's fair enough if that's not your bag, but I really like that about the show.
Yeah you don't hear this kind of criticism about unlikeable characters in a lot of fiction, like say Walter Sobchack from The Big Lebowski. He is legitimately terrible, selfish, and controlling. He tries to steal the Big Lebowski's money and then lies to his face at the end of the film saying "as if we'd ever try to steal your dirty money!" What makes Walter such a good character is because of how disarmingly real that is. He's not a person who is actually very likeable at all, but you don't usually get people saying they don't like The Big Lebowski because they don't like Walter.
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I watched these short trailers, and I didn't even bother to see an actual trailer.
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I don't think the show is trying to convey that point, no, but Carol is definitely a self-centered, hypocritical asshole. Thing is, though, a whole lot of people (maybe even most people) are self-centered, hypocritical assholes. I quite like the fact that the main protagonist of the series is someone who was very much not cut out to be a hero, and who does what she does for completely ignoble reasons. I think it grounds the story and makes for complex characters; this isn't "Twilight" or one of the other YA fictions. It's convincingly real people put into a really fucked up situation and trying to understand it and deal with it to the best of their ability.
It's fair enough if that's not your bag, but I really like that about the show.
That's true -- it definitely is a more enjoyable watch, especially if I dislike her at the beginning but watch her grow into someone who's motivations aren't just prompted by anger and grief.
I'm currently enjoying Manousos's character, since he has a very clear set of principles from the beginning that put him at violent ends to the reality around him. I like watching him let his guard down ever so slightly
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I really don't think Pluribus is a comedy show.
Naturally, given its setting, it will be absurd at times, and how people deal with situations will be equally absurd - there can be comedy in those moments, but that's about it.
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
You're not supposed to like Carol Sturka, so great - the writing worked.
I consider Pluribus to be one the really great shows in the last decade, and I also do not like Carol. Often, I'm annoyed by her actions, and once or twice I was really pissed at how she interacted with the Others, because IMHO, there was just so much unnecessary hostility, or she was just being a dense cunt.
Why would a movie, a TV show or a play require the audience to like the protagonist? Outside of these fictional depictions, I'd probably not be acquainted with someone like Carol - but here, I want to watch her. I want to see how she deals with the overall situation, how choices made by someone who is fundamentally different from me play out, how she grows as a character, how she overcomes her flaws, of which there are many, or how she might completely fail. There even is the option I eventually grow to like her. Wouldn't that be great, an actual character arc?
Carol is an alcoholic who doubts her self-worth and has just lost her love, a death which she directly blames on what she considers to be the alien invaders she now has to interact with on a daily basis. She was also recently promoted to one of the greatest mass murderers in history and the isolation she suffered as consequence of her actions made her realize she really can't exist in complete solitude, leading to a complex relationship with an entity she wants to hate. I think she deserves some jagged edges.
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Yeah you don't hear this kind of criticism about unlikeable characters in a lot of fiction, like say Walter Sobchack from The Big Lebowski. He is legitimately terrible, selfish, and controlling. He tries to steal the Big Lebowski's money and then lies to his face at the end of the film saying "as if we'd ever try to steal your dirty money!" What makes Walter such a good character is because of how disarmingly real that is. He's not a person who is actually very likeable at all, but you don't usually get people saying they don't like The Big Lebowski because they don't like Walter.
To be fair to the person I originally responded to, though, Walter's not the main character. It's a lot more common to have unlikable sidekicks who provide a foil to the main character than it is to have unlikable main characters.
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Is that a problem though? The problem for me would be lackluster content and pushing out dozens terrible shows that producers do manage to push out on a yearly schedule. I much rather wait longer, for a better show. I actually believe it's an ad for a show if it has multiple years between seasons. It shows me, as a potential viewer, that the show prioritizes quality over quantity and that the IP is strong enough that the company producing the show is willing to invest in it that many years later.
Oh, you are gonna love reading and then waiting for the Game Of Thrones book series to end.
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Very glad she’s getting her flowers finally. She was half of what made Better Call Saul great and she got zero award recognition for it. Gilligan knew it and doubled down on her.
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Oh, you are gonna love reading and then waiting for the Game Of Thrones book series to end.
I didn't live under a rock
You can probably already make assumptions how I feel about the ending and what I believe they should have done (production) wise.I don't get why they didn't take another year to deliver a qualitative ending. Even when the company believes they have good momentum, which they truly had. They now completely nuked it with that ending. It would have been a god tier series, that people would rewatch countless times. Now it's just remembered as a disappointment.
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I didn't live under a rock
You can probably already make assumptions how I feel about the ending and what I believe they should have done (production) wise.I don't get why they didn't take another year to deliver a qualitative ending. Even when the company believes they have good momentum, which they truly had. They now completely nuked it with that ending. It would have been a god tier series, that people would rewatch countless times. Now it's just remembered as a disappointment.
Lol, no, I meant the book series. Totally agree on the show, that actually did deserve way more time in the oven to cook.
All I'm pointing out is the waiting game can get ridiculous like waiting over a decade for an author to create, granted, a very well done story, while said author goes off to work on other shit cuz he got bored or intimidated or whatever.
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I heard her awhile back on some podcast talking about making her own furniture and she builds it to be easily portable, so she can get the fuck out, if she wants, not a quote
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Yay! Happy for mommy
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
The show is a metaphor for AI.
The indian mother can't accept that the chatbot isn't an actual person (her son is not her son).
The guy flying Airforce One knows what's up and loves it, just taking full advantage of it.
The guy from south america hates modern technology and doesn't trust it. And his life is now fucked because everything relies on it.
Carol is a writer, and AI is basically stealing people like her's jobs in real life.
They show how she loses her life that she knows differently in the show, but she hates it just the same. And she has a reason to hate it.The whole part about them starving in 10 years cause they can't create new food is AI not being able to self sustain if everything is AI cause there would be nothing AI can learn from.
