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  • T Kaul

    It kind of looks like Stoat is just an Open Source Discord clone? While the idea is great, it looks like all their servers are hosted by them (correct me if I'm wrong). Was really hoping for some kind of self hosted Discord where all the data is stored locally. I use Mumble currently, which is great for voice chat, but there are simply not enough features.

    Edit: Actually I found the github page and it seems like there is a way to deploy this locally. Disregard

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    Galactose
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    #141

    Matrix & XMPP ?

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    • Z zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      I know, but you know who is developing lemmy, right? Wonderful people like @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @nutomic@lemmy.ml

      That’s why I suggest not talking about lemmy anymore and adapt piefed as the name

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      theoubliette@lemmy.ml
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      Imagine being angry at dessalines.

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      • Agent_KaryoA Agent_Karyo

        Totally!

        They don't look at you and see a demagogue who is roleplaying online, oh no.

        It's funny how you talk big about the "global south" and "actually-existing socialist states" and yet you have a very orientalist and honestly racist worldview.

        You think people in Cuba or say Vietnam are idiots who can't see through basic bullshit.

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        theoubliette@lemmy.ml
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        The best part of this comment is how it implies that people from China, Cuba, or Vietnam are just one big unit that all think and act the same, all while baselessly accusing davel of orientalism.

        You should try to set your own bar at basic honesty and see how it works out for you.

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        • TuuktuukT Tuuktuuk

          Basically the context is this: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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          theoubliette@lemmy.ml
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          #144

          Ah yes, the embarrassed fascism comm

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          • H hector@lemmy.today

            ...reddit is a vibrant community...something something values different viewpoints. /s

            Their moderation is dishonest.

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            tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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            #145

            they use AI to moderate, so pretty much. and only an admin can unban someone, given how much appeals they get, they are unlikely to see 99% of appeals anyways.

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            • TuuktuukT Tuuktuuk

              Basically the context is this: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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              braininabox@lemmy.ml
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              The com run by an outright fascist?

              Well, you know what they say about liberals and fascism.

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              • Agent_KaryoA Agent_Karyo

                On Piefed you get the most active communities in search (using similar metrics/ranking systems as reddit), it makes a lot more sense than on Lemmy which ranks search by sub numbers as opposed to MAU/WAU (so you get a lot of dead communities as #1 on the Lemmy WebUI).

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                flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)
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                #147

                If you sort by 'Top Month' Lemmy will rank it by MAUs.

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                • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                  PieFed > Lemmy (In my opinion)

                  I switched to PieFed a while ago, it's the same thing but better (IMO)
                  It also doesn't have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy, and the UX is a lot better (IMO)

                  It also has quite a few nice features that Lemmy lacks.
                  Try out both, see which you like.

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                  0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  It also doesn't have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy

                  Oh you sweet summer child.

                  They're just hard coding keywords to limit reach of usauthoritarianism and queer community.

                  https://fedia.io/m/memes@lemmy.world/t/3230397/-/comment/13562251

                  You'll need to login to view content, because they got the original post deleted but it's still cached on fedia.

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                  • P psythik@lemmy.world

                    Just learned about Piefed. Why does it exist when we already have Lemmy, which alone is already too small for niche communities to pop up as-is? We don't need to fracture an already fractured community. The Piefed devs should merge the project with the Lemmy devs.

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                    retrolemmings@retrolemmy.com
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                    #149

                    Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic.

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                    • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                      I modified a image I saw going around last year on Global Switch Day
                      https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1ijmkc0/make_the_switch_away_from_meta/

                      Perhaps we could use it to make people aware of Reddit alternatives etc.
                      If you can imporve upon the image please do so, and feel free to use it.

                      I just threw it together in KolourPaint in a few min.

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                      Carl N. Yon
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                      Why would you suggest piefed when it has so much biased hard-code in it's database?

                      It is clear that Rimu has forced his personal viewpoint and ideology into his code. Despite the claims there has been no evidence that this is the case for Lemmy.

                      He has coded in deliberatly misleading error messages when you try to upload images he doesn't like

                      • You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long
                      • When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped
                      • Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code
                      • Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!
                      • If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed
                      • if you try to comment a .gif ... you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn't like it
                      • Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone
                      • He has hardcoded which instances are allowed and which arent
                      • He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar
                      • He vindictively targeted a single user with code

                      The code review can be found here

                      Maybe someone should do a code review for lemmy to see how those tankies have influenced it.

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                      • V vitorobles@lemmy.today

                        Damn. Trashing Lemmy on Lemmy.

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                        Saapas
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                        #151

                        A tradition brought over from Reddit, where people were constantly shitting on Reddit hah

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                        • 0 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          It also doesn't have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy

                          Oh you sweet summer child.

                          They're just hard coding keywords to limit reach of usauthoritarianism and queer community.

                          https://fedia.io/m/memes@lemmy.world/t/3230397/-/comment/13562251

                          You'll need to login to view content, because they got the original post deleted but it's still cached on fedia.

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                          Saapas
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                          From what I remember it was about some discover feed feature or something and they tried to curate it a bit, remove greentexts and stuff that had a ton of posts or something.

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                          • Carl N. YonC Carl N. Yon

                            Why would you suggest piefed when it has so much biased hard-code in it's database?

                            It is clear that Rimu has forced his personal viewpoint and ideology into his code. Despite the claims there has been no evidence that this is the case for Lemmy.

                            He has coded in deliberatly misleading error messages when you try to upload images he doesn't like

                            • You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long
                            • When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped
                            • Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code
                            • Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!
                            • If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed
                            • if you try to comment a .gif ... you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn't like it
                            • Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone
                            • He has hardcoded which instances are allowed and which arent
                            • He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar
                            • He vindictively targeted a single user with code

                            The code review can be found here

                            Maybe someone should do a code review for lemmy to see how those tankies have influenced it.

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                            yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                            Sounds like hell for someone with problems to put thoughts in words and/or uncommon opinions. You either go blend with the mass or die.

                            Also, could I use my current lemmy account to upvote my each pie comment, to get better score in few minutes? Kinda fragile for cheats.

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                            • R retrolemmings@retrolemmy.com

                              Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic.

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                              how_we_burned@lemmy.zip
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                              Can you expand on this for a newbie?

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                              • R retrolemmings@retrolemmy.com

                                Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic.

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                                peruvian_skies@sh.itjust.works
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                                I miss the innocent days when I thought only right-wingers could be transphobic.

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                                • B buttdrugs@lemmy.zip

                                  That's open source for you. The biggest issue for things gaining traction is a million projects that all do the same thing "better". Look at Linux, if people are curious about "switching to Linux" all it takes is one comment thread somewhere to confuse then enough to bail on the idea.

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                                  peruvian_skies@sh.itjust.works
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                                  That's more a community and presentation problem than a fragmentation problem. If people could agree on objective criteria for recommending Linux distros to newbies, it wouldn't be so intimidating to them.

                                  Nobody criticizes Ford or Toyota for having "too many options" when they sell cars because they present those options as complementary and people see the variety as a good thing. Linux distros are often presented as competing products, even though for most of them that's not the case.

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                                  • Carl N. YonC Carl N. Yon

                                    Why would you suggest piefed when it has so much biased hard-code in it's database?

                                    It is clear that Rimu has forced his personal viewpoint and ideology into his code. Despite the claims there has been no evidence that this is the case for Lemmy.

                                    He has coded in deliberatly misleading error messages when you try to upload images he doesn't like

                                    • You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long
                                    • When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped
                                    • Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code
                                    • Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!
                                    • If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed
                                    • if you try to comment a .gif ... you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn't like it
                                    • Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone
                                    • He has hardcoded which instances are allowed and which arent
                                    • He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar
                                    • He vindictively targeted a single user with code

                                    The code review can be found here

                                    Maybe someone should do a code review for lemmy to see how those tankies have influenced it.

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                                    quinceybones@lemmy.zip
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                                    #157

                                    All that is optional and can be turned off in Admin settings.

                                    Not to mention you’re exaggerating a loot.

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                                    • H how_we_burned@lemmy.zip

                                      Can you expand on this for a newbie?

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                                      retrolemmings@retrolemmy.com
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                                      #158

                                      The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies.

                                      One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened.

                                      The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims.

                                      Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda.

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                                      • Carl N. YonC Carl N. Yon

                                        Why would you suggest piefed when it has so much biased hard-code in it's database?

                                        It is clear that Rimu has forced his personal viewpoint and ideology into his code. Despite the claims there has been no evidence that this is the case for Lemmy.

                                        He has coded in deliberatly misleading error messages when you try to upload images he doesn't like

                                        • You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long
                                        • When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped
                                        • Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code
                                        • Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!
                                        • If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed
                                        • if you try to comment a .gif ... you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn't like it
                                        • Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone
                                        • He has hardcoded which instances are allowed and which arent
                                        • He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar
                                        • He vindictively targeted a single user with code

                                        The code review can be found here

                                        Maybe someone should do a code review for lemmy to see how those tankies have influenced it.

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                                        Skavau
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                                        You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long

                                        Okay. So? This is in part anti-spam measures. It's very specific, but how many users do you imagine this applies to in practice?

                                        When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped

                                        Piefed.social only. Toggleable off.

                                        Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code

                                        Yes, this is to mitigate mass-downvoting. Why is this inherently a problem to you?

                                        Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!

                                        Trolls/spammers etc are serious problems on sites like Lemmy and Piefed. If you’re a new account and you’ve managed to get -100 reputation that quickly, it’s not a good sign. If and as the Fediverse grows, instance owners are going to need more observation tools to catch this type of stuff.

                                        If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed

                                        AI detection tools. But I’ve seen a lot of AI posters right now caught through this. use of the em-dash is very much a sign, unfortunately. It doesn’t ban them by the way. It just flags new accounts doing it to admins. So? Admins can turn this off.

                                        if you try to comment a .gif … you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn’t like it

                                        Can be turned off at the instance level.

                                        Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone

                                        No. If every instance was Piefed, you simply wouldn’t be able to reply to anyone who has blocked you. “Reply” is essentially faded out. The difference is that Lemmy doesn’t implement the block function in the same way, so Piefed just throws out replies by blocked users to the person who has blocked them coming from Lemmy. That’s the mismatch at play here.

                                        If you can somehow still reply via a Piefed instance, it is bugged and not working as intended.

                                        He vindictively targeted a single user with code

                                        This has been removed now, and it wasn't "vindictive" in purpose at all.

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                                        • 0 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                          It also doesn't have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy

                                          Oh you sweet summer child.

                                          They're just hard coding keywords to limit reach of usauthoritarianism and queer community.

                                          https://fedia.io/m/memes@lemmy.world/t/3230397/-/comment/13562251

                                          You'll need to login to view content, because they got the original post deleted but it's still cached on fedia.

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                                          quinceybones@lemmy.zip
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                                          It was an anti meme feature that has since been removed on request. The PieFed devs are very open to the community and act lighting fast.

                                          Meanwhile people have been asking Lemmy for a working block function for years and they refuse. And let’s not forget the hardcoded front page banners Lemmy puts on all instances begging for donations to do who knows what as it never updates.

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