Something to help people lead to the Fediverse
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Users are trapped by the network effect and a desire for ease of use over anything else.
The corporate alternatives will always be an easier sell.
Twitter > Bluesky
Instagram > Upscrolled
TikTok > RedNote
Reddit > no corporate alternative
YouTube > no corporate alternative
Discord > no corporate alternativeTo get the average user, you don't just have to convince them to leave Twitter, you have to convince them to leave corporate social media and all of their friends that still use it.
You have to convince them to accept additional inconvenience and complexity (@usernames and @instancenames?) in exchange for no direct, tangible benefit. (We know it's worth it, but the average user doesn't know and doesn't care.)
The people who could handle that are already here. Adoption going forward will be (at best) a slow trickle until we reach some level of critical mass.
::: spoiler Why people don't leave Reddit
Reddit has the advantage of years of community-built knowledge, and it's a "one-stop shop". Looking for the gaming community? Go to reddit, type in gaming, it'll be in the top 3, if not the top 10.Go to the threadiverse, and you have to run the gauntlet of servers (what's an instance?), deferated instances (why can't I see XYZ?), and 20 communities with similar names (which gaming community is the "real" one?). The switching cost is too high for most as long as Reddit still exists.
:::::: spoiler Why people don't leave Discord
Discord is easy to set up, and they're digging their claws into game dev by making it easy to monetize communities (enshittification, here we come!).RevoltStoat isn't federated, so each server is segregated from the others. As they grow, users will centralize for the sake of convenience. My bet is they either sell out or remain a niche alternative.Element is (still) too complicated and unreliable. Audio sharing is inconsistent (no audio streaming on desktop screenshare, mics won't work, etc). Video calls aren't fully implemented.
:::::: spoiler Why people won't leave YouTube
No one can match YouTube's sheer scale. They have billions of videos and billions of users. Their monetization system means that creators are incentivized to create quality content for the platform.By contrast, PeerTube's best content is often mirrors or backups of content from other platforms. PeerTube is a great backup, but without monetization to incentivize creators, it's not a real alternative.
20 communities with similar names (which gaming community is the “real” one?)
On this one, I agree with them. Network effects do not go well with splittism. And yet it's hardly surprising we're here given the ills of contemporary society: narcissism, snowflakery, identitarianism, intolerance for contradiction. For every subject there must be ten separate communities (AKA echo chambers, bubbles) so that nobody has to see anything that they might disagree with.
I'm caricaturing, of course. But this issue is real. Given the political orientation here, it probably affects the fediverse more than corporate social media. And whatever the wrongs and rights of the subject, it is not helping the cause of attracting newcomers.
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I modified a image I saw going around last year on
Global Switch Day
https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1ijmkc0/make_the_switch_away_from_meta/Perhaps we could use it to make people aware of Reddit alternatives etc.
If you can imporve upon the image please do so, and feel free to use it.I just threw it together in KolourPaint in a few min.
80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they'll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
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PieFed is a different software. Lemmy is written in Rust and has a certain set of features.
PieFed is a newer project, written from scratch in Python, by completely different people. It includes Lemmy's features and shows the same posts as Lemmy, but has additional features such as polls, events, feeds (which are the same thing as multireddits on Reddit), emoji reactions, flairs, notifications for new comments coming for some specific post or new posts coming in some specific community, messaging with Mastodon users, and some other stuff that fails to come to my mind right now
There are several PieFed instances: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
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80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they'll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
@rumba This is where we need to showcase things like Patreon and other ways of people making money from people who truly enjoy there work, pay people not corporations.
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Bold words coming from a supporter of russian genocidal imperialism!
And please don't play dumb! We both know the overwhelming majority of tankies only speak English and at absolute best may have visited Europe for a week 20 years ago (let alone Cuba or China).
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People are fleeing to another close source centralized app that’s not federated. People will use anything but Fediverse.
One of the reasons will simply be because the Fediverse doesn't really have a marketing budget or an easy way to get into it, We are decentralized by design but we need a way to explain that as well as tell people about why they should be using this instead of another cash grab centralized app.
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@rumba This is where we need to showcase things like Patreon and other ways of people making money from people who truly enjoy there work, pay people not corporations.
now go convince all those creators making a living that have both youtube and patreon money coming in to post on a free only alternative and just go to patreon income.
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80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they'll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
This. There are alternative video hosting platforms; none of them are really alternatives to YouTube itself until the content creators also move.
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now go convince all those creators making a living that have both youtube and patreon money coming in to post on a free only alternative and just go to patreon income.
I know it's not as simple as that, but creators are annoyed of these platforms, mirroring your content on the Fediverse is easy through PeerTube and having 'uncensored' or less restricted videos be uploaded onto PeerTube can help.
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I know it's not as simple as that, but creators are annoyed of these platforms, mirroring your content on the Fediverse is easy through PeerTube and having 'uncensored' or less restricted videos be uploaded onto PeerTube can help.
Honestly, the fact they complain about the platforms all the time while doing nothing to leave those platforms what-so-ever just feels like another manipulation tactic like clickbait titles and thumbnails.
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Honestly, the fact they complain about the platforms all the time while doing nothing to leave those platforms what-so-ever just feels like another manipulation tactic like clickbait titles and thumbnails.
As someone who creates stuff myself, I know how it is, It's hard to move away from the platforms when there's so many more people that see's your content on them.
I wish I could get half the people that get to see my content on PeerTube but sadly as of the moment it's not the case.
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As someone who creates stuff myself, I know how it is, It's hard to move away from the platforms when there's so many more people that see's your content on them.
I wish I could get half the people that get to see my content on PeerTube but sadly as of the moment it's not the case.
Small creators, sure. The huge ones with millions of subscribers, tho? If they left, their audience would follow them.
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Damn. Trashing Lemmy on Lemmy.
If that's trashing, most debates I've seen would be bloodbaths. e.e"
Irony aside, if someone is politely criticized, what seems to be what the OP did, and the receiver sees it as a problem, the receiver shouldn't be a public figure.
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I started on .world and quickly realized I wanted a smaller instance. So I moved to .ee and sopuli, then when .ee went down I decided to not limit myself to a single instance. I do not have as many accounts as cm02 does, 4 total I think. But only use 3 of them much.
Adding to the thread of account redundancy and backups based on personal experiences...
I started I think it was on .ml or .world, quickly found kbin.social and preferred it, it died and I didn't have a culture of backing up accounts, then I moved to lemm.ee and I kinda forgot to make a backup in the grace period before it died (oopsie) but at least had been hoarding on RSS feeds so not all was lost, then found Mbin was a thing, then found about external RSS's and searching for fediverse links for pulling external posts.
Adjacent to external RSS's, also found out when an instance goes poof, the community/group/magazine keeps propagating, just as a derelict one. So while it'd be a moderation hell, at least it's somewhat preserved.
So moral of the story, there are a few ways to back stuff up, and thus, adding to the choir, please do use them.
And an addendum, PieFed also has external RSS feeds by default, so for example, piefed.social provides their own RSS feed for !fediverse@lemmy.world.
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You know that piefed.world exists? Its admins are the same people that are also admins of your current home instance, lemmy.world.
I'm aware, I just haven't tried it much.
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Its fun. Honestly though, we are so similar its like choosing apple or cherry pie. It comes down to preference.
Fediverse means lemmy/piefed/etc..etc... can thrive and we all have a better experience.
And that's the magic.
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20 communities with similar names (which gaming community is the “real” one?)
On this one, I agree with them. Network effects do not go well with splittism. And yet it's hardly surprising we're here given the ills of contemporary society: narcissism, snowflakery, identitarianism, intolerance for contradiction. For every subject there must be ten separate communities (AKA echo chambers, bubbles) so that nobody has to see anything that they might disagree with.
I'm caricaturing, of course. But this issue is real. Given the political orientation here, it probably affects the fediverse more than corporate social media. And whatever the wrongs and rights of the subject, it is not helping the cause of attracting newcomers.
On Piefed you get the most active communities in search (using similar metrics/ranking systems as reddit), it makes a lot more sense than on Lemmy which ranks search by sub numbers as opposed to MAU/WAU (so you get a lot of dead communities as #1 on the Lemmy WebUI).
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80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they'll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
Maybe it’s just me, but the influencer type content creators are part of what I’m fleeing from in the mainstream social media options. The internet is better without them. The gamification and monitization leads to enshittification. Reddit really started going to shit when the same people’s posts were always on the front page, and then you had the same people modding and gaming their communities to push it. I personally would hate if that happened to fediverse alternatives.
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What's with Piefed? Isn't it just another Lemmy instance?
Different platform/software, same protocol (ActivityPub).
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Bold words coming from a supporter of russian genocidal imperialism!
And please don't play dumb! We both know the overwhelming majority of tankies only speak English and at absolute best may have visited Europe for a week 20 years ago (let alone Cuba or China).
What are you even talking about?? English is my second language and I lived in Europe almost my entire life. And I visited Cuba, it was nice.
