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No wonder Reddit has turned to shit

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  • T TWeaK

    It's a grift, but it's extra steps. It's not about affecting the experience on reddit, but for AI users. They use reddit to plant answers, which AI then trains on and regurgitates later.

    Eventually the reddit thread would probably balance out, and incorrect information should get downvoted and replaced by corrections from people who know better. However AI might not account for this and could still spit out the planted information. It's this delicate manipulation that this LinkedIn Lunatic is bragging about here.

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    jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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    #98

    So it's more of a circle jerk for people who can't provide anything useful and have to pretend they have value. Seems like it's just putting more effort into not working than just doing the work itself.

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    • john_tJ john_t

      There's no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won't carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.

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      Schadrach
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      #99

      There’s no algorithm to be played in the fediverse.

      There presumably is. Some metric decides visibility on the feeds. That algorithm not being based on corporate profitability doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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      • saarthS saarth

        Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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        herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml
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        #100

        Reddit has been agressively banning data dumps of the Epstein files.

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        • saarthS saarth

          Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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          theseveraljourneysofreemus@lemmy.world
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          #101

          The linkedin writing format must be banned, exhausting, unreadable and way too self important. It's not a haiku write like a normal person you lunatic. Also these bots are destroying public forums, don't expect any praise from me.

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          • A allzeitbereit@feddit.uk

            It'll happen in the Fediverse too.

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            brendansimms@lemmy.world
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            #102

            Not if you use NORD VPN ™, fellow human. NORD VPN ™ guarantees filtering of astroturfing comments made by LLMs! Thats right - NORD VPN ™ does the following:

            • Filters out comments made by LLMs
            • Does not sell your data
            • Filters out comments made by LLMs
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            • A allzeitbereit@feddit.uk

              It'll happen in the Fediverse too.

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              wrote last edited by umbrella@lemmy.ml
              #103

              yeah, i havent seen anyone come up with a solution so far. nobody really seems to know when i bring it up.

              usually some implication the problem is gonna solve itself. we might be fucked. eventually.

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              • K kahnclusions@lemmy.ca

                100% written by an LLM. They always use this tone and it’s infuriating.

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                ByteOnBikes
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                #104

                People who abuse GenAI no longer can tell when the shit they post look like GenAI. They only talk to AI so it looks normal to them.

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                • saarthS saarth

                  Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                  snazz@lemmy.world
                  wrote last edited by
                  #105

                  What a self report. This guy is complicit in turning the age of information into the age of propaganda.

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                  • lechekaflanL lechekaflan

                    More than a decade and a half later and pretentious SEO fanatics still fucking make my eyes roll.

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                    lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                    #106

                    Never forget that the morally correct thing to do if you happen to meet one of these people it to punch them in the mouth.

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                    • M munkisquisher@lemmy.nz

                      That's one of the signs of LLM output, take any idea and have it flesh it out into short article. It'll bullet point the crap out of it

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                      lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                      #107

                      LLMs learned it by watching these idiots.

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                      • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

                        Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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                        valkyre09@lemmy.world
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                        #108

                        I get the feeling you and Bill Hicks would have gotten along: https://youtu.be/9h9wStdPkQY

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                        • john_tJ john_t

                          There's no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won't carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.

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                          sl00k@programming.dev
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                          #109

                          The Hot ordering is itself an algorithm.

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                          • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

                            Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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                            hupf@feddit.org
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                            https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_Ship_B

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                            • S spacenoodle@lemmy.world

                              People downvote me when I say it. That's all cope. We're not wrong; if and when this goes mainstream, it'll attract the same bad actors just as heavily.

                              Of course, there are surely already a few here testing the waters.

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                              sl00k@programming.dev
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                              #111

                              I agree the Fediverse is not in a good spot for something like this.

                              I actually think this is where the identity system of atproto will be more impactful here as it allows a better verification system. I've been thinking lately you should be able to use hardware attestation + biometric attestation on apps to filter these emulated users out.

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                              • saarthS saarth

                                Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                                Dr. Moose
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                                #112

                                US is full of companies that publicly claim to manipulate reddit threads as PR protection. They all do it exactly like you'd expect - people with dozens of phones going through threads writing shit. Even if users are banned and their phone fingerprinted they just dump the phones for new ones.

                                Reddit knows could actually sue them and very likely to win but that would be a lot of attention at them.

                                The best part of this is - if commercial PR companies can afford to run this then what China, Russia and such are doing must have absolutely bonkers. There's very little internet actually left organic.

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                                • addie@feddit.ukA addie@feddit.uk

                                  If you've any suggestion on how to implement that, then it's a million-dollar idea.

                                  The "I'm a human" test that only takes a few seconds and then lets you do what you like for an hour was always vulnerable to 'auth farms'. Pay some poor bastards in the third world a pittance to pass the test a thousand times an hour, let the bots run wild. And the bots have gained the ability to pass the tests themselves, at least by boiling the oceans in some datacentre while the VC money holds out.

                                  Finding the people running the bots, fitting them with some very heavy boots and then seeing if they can swim in the deep ocean is probably needlessly cruel, but I'd be up for tarring and feathering a few. Once the videos got out, the rest might think harder about their life choices...

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                                  sl00k@programming.dev
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                                  #113

                                  Most of this work is done via emulators if you have a hardware attestation process built in, it will stop most of it. Obviously you still have a problem with phone farms but those are much more expensive than emulators and there's a physical capacity to them.

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                                  • O Oascany

                                    This is so funny because I'm Indian and I've never come across a Hindi sub on Reddit.

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                                    mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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                                    #114

                                    I'm not even exaggerating, EVERY DAY in my feed repeatedly, not even in English, absolutely zero discernible reason. No Chinese. No Brazilian. No German. It's not even random.

                                    Also, Jesus ads. "He gets us". Why Jesus ads in English AND Hindi Indian subs? It's almost spiteful

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                                    • saarthS saarth

                                      Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                                      anticurrent@sh.itjust.works
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                                      the internet needs to be burnt to the ground and built back up for humans to humans.
                                      I hate this timeline were are living in

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                                      • T theseveraljourneysofreemus@lemmy.world

                                        The linkedin writing format must be banned, exhausting, unreadable and way too self important. It's not a haiku write like a normal person you lunatic. Also these bots are destroying public forums, don't expect any praise from me.

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                                        notbadandyou@ttrpg.network
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                                        #116

                                        Decent chance that post was written by AI as well. Or it was a marketing copywriter. Either way it wasn't written by a normal human.

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                                        • saarthS saarth

                                          Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                                          plaguesandbacon@lemmy.ca
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                                          "These days"? Reddit has been hot garbage since before the 3rd party API bullshit

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