No wonder Reddit has turned to shit
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There's no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won't carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.
The Hot ordering is itself an algorithm.
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Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.
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People downvote me when I say it. That's all cope. We're not wrong; if and when this goes mainstream, it'll attract the same bad actors just as heavily.
Of course, there are surely already a few here testing the waters.
I agree the Fediverse is not in a good spot for something like this.
I actually think this is where the identity system of atproto will be more impactful here as it allows a better verification system. I've been thinking lately you should be able to use hardware attestation + biometric attestation on apps to filter these emulated users out.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
US is full of companies that publicly claim to manipulate reddit threads as PR protection. They all do it exactly like you'd expect - people with dozens of phones going through threads writing shit. Even if users are banned and their phone fingerprinted they just dump the phones for new ones.
Reddit knows could actually sue them and very likely to win but that would be a lot of attention at them.
The best part of this is - if commercial PR companies can afford to run this then what China, Russia and such are doing must have absolutely bonkers. There's very little internet actually left organic.
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If you've any suggestion on how to implement that, then it's a million-dollar idea.
The "I'm a human" test that only takes a few seconds and then lets you do what you like for an hour was always vulnerable to 'auth farms'. Pay some poor bastards in the third world a pittance to pass the test a thousand times an hour, let the bots run wild. And the bots have gained the ability to pass the tests themselves, at least by boiling the oceans in some datacentre while the VC money holds out.
Finding the people running the bots, fitting them with some very heavy boots and then seeing if they can swim in the deep ocean is probably needlessly cruel, but I'd be up for tarring and feathering a few. Once the videos got out, the rest might think harder about their life choices...
Most of this work is done via emulators if you have a hardware attestation process built in, it will stop most of it. Obviously you still have a problem with phone farms but those are much more expensive than emulators and there's a physical capacity to them.
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I'm not even exaggerating, EVERY DAY in my feed repeatedly, not even in English, absolutely zero discernible reason. No Chinese. No Brazilian. No German. It's not even random.
Also, Jesus ads. "He gets us". Why Jesus ads in English AND Hindi Indian subs? It's almost spiteful
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
the internet needs to be burnt to the ground and built back up for humans to humans.
I hate this timeline were are living in -
The linkedin writing format must be banned, exhausting, unreadable and way too self important. It's not a haiku write like a normal person you lunatic. Also these bots are destroying public forums, don't expect any praise from me.
Decent chance that post was written by AI as well. Or it was a marketing copywriter. Either way it wasn't written by a normal human.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
"These days"? Reddit has been hot garbage since before the 3rd party API bullshit
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Its scum behavior but its smart. If you can get your product into a reddit thread that gives a ton of free high quality advertising. Its why the site turned to site so fast once normal people found out about it. Suddenly you had products being shilled in every community and threads created solely for the purpose of posting a reply that said to buy a product. AI is just a cherry ontop of the already souless reddit behaviour and quite frankly its what they deserve.
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The linkedin writing format must be banned, exhausting, unreadable and way too self important. It's not a haiku write like a normal person you lunatic. Also these bots are destroying public forums, don't expect any praise from me.
Lemmy just BLEW AWAY the LinkedIn Writing Style.
A few simple witty posts have utterly upended how we communicate on the internet.
Normal Users:
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Post replies
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Up and Downvote
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Embarassingly minimizing the display when your boss approaches the desk.
And maybe that works for normal online interactions.
Sure, it's fine if you're an entry level Lemmy user
But you'll never change the culture of the internet.
So we came up with
Something that's
Even better than
What we used
To post like
Before
We first started using
This online
digital service
For posting our
Thoughts to
Other
Pe
ople
It's called memes.
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Nahhhh. When ads are clever or funny its fine. This lower effort bullshit need to die
Nah. manipulating people into buying things they don't need is a trash career. It's not a productive or necessary job. It hurts more than it can ever help.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
here is to hoping that lemmy never grows
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Lemmy just BLEW AWAY the LinkedIn Writing Style.
A few simple witty posts have utterly upended how we communicate on the internet.
Normal Users:
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Post replies
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Up and Downvote
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Embarassingly minimizing the display when your boss approaches the desk.
And maybe that works for normal online interactions.
Sure, it's fine if you're an entry level Lemmy user
But you'll never change the culture of the internet.
So we came up with
Something that's
Even better than
What we used
To post like
Before
We first started using
This online
digital service
For posting our
Thoughts to
Other
Pe
ople
It's called memes.
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More than a decade and a half later and pretentious SEO fanatics still fucking make my eyes roll.
They make me think of kids who hide food they don't want to eat in stupid places and get all surprised when they realize it makes wherever they were hiding it into a biohazard.
Or anyone who thinks they are getting a free benefit from using something a certain way and completely ignoring that each use ruins it a bit more.
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This comment made me realise that the internet could have been born, lived, and died, within my lifetime.
Thank you for the strange compliment.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Plot twist: They did not build shit, the text is generated by AI, and whatever they do is still done by third country workers.
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There’s no algorithm to be played in the fediverse.
There presumably is. Some metric decides visibility on the feeds. That algorithm not being based on corporate profitability doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
In fact, it doesn't matter if there's no internal incentive. If it's being indexed and shows in searches it will have all the incentive needed to maximise SEO for profit.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Oh, this is great.
Users noticed that Google had too much bad results because of SEO and spam flooded search results.
Users added "reddit" to their search terms, so they get results from reddit, where spam and astroturfing were... there but manageable.
Now the SEO people and advertisers target reddit with AI tools, until it is so enshitificated that we have to find something else (rinse and repeat)
"No, don't leave, we just finished saturating the space with ads!"
"Why do you think we leave?"
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Reddit is the new Facebook. Kids don't think it's cool so they avoid it. Got this first hand. It's got a big userbase so it'll take a while to topple, but they probably already know this and will squeeze everything out of it to the last drop.
It used to be a place I could turn to to get some real reviews, in sofar that it ruined google, and now I can't trust any of Reddit's content anymore because of things like the OP.
