No wonder Reddit has turned to shit
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There’s no algorithm to be played in the fediverse.
There presumably is. Some metric decides visibility on the feeds. That algorithm not being based on corporate profitability doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
In fact, it doesn't matter if there's no internal incentive. If it's being indexed and shows in searches it will have all the incentive needed to maximise SEO for profit.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Oh, this is great.
Users noticed that Google had too much bad results because of SEO and spam flooded search results.
Users added "reddit" to their search terms, so they get results from reddit, where spam and astroturfing were... there but manageable.
Now the SEO people and advertisers target reddit with AI tools, until it is so enshitificated that we have to find something else (rinse and repeat)
"No, don't leave, we just finished saturating the space with ads!"
"Why do you think we leave?"
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Reddit is the new Facebook. Kids don't think it's cool so they avoid it. Got this first hand. It's got a big userbase so it'll take a while to topple, but they probably already know this and will squeeze everything out of it to the last drop.
It used to be a place I could turn to to get some real reviews, in sofar that it ruined google, and now I can't trust any of Reddit's content anymore because of things like the OP.
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Lemmy just BLEW AWAY the LinkedIn Writing Style.
A few simple witty posts have utterly upended how we communicate on the internet.
Normal Users:
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Post replies
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Up and Downvote
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Embarassingly minimizing the display when your boss approaches the desk.
And maybe that works for normal online interactions.
Sure, it's fine if you're an entry level Lemmy user
But you'll never change the culture of the internet.
So we came up with
Something that's
Even better than
What we used
To post like
Before
We first started using
This online
digital service
For posting our
Thoughts to
Other
Pe
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It's called memes.
memory lane man
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Reddit right now is banning any criticism of ICE. Reddit covered up for Ghislaine's account (maxwellhill), even though they've attended very public events with her as CEO Ellen Pao revealed, and they have narcissistic megalomaniac psychopath Jibberish (deliberately mistyping) who has trained decades on how to be the best psychopath they can be on social manipulation MMOs also heading and manipulating their "conservative" subreddit, who subscribing to also seems to be a flag within the system to begin showing you subs engineered to manipulate you with their messaging. Oh, and all the other non-conspiracy theory stuff, which there is plenty of.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
In any case, fuck spez.
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Nah. manipulating people into buying things they don't need is a trash career. It's not a productive or necessary job. It hurts more than it can ever help.
MOST jobs aren't productive or necessary. Just depends on how its used. Gotta have some nuance
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
Gross.
I continue to have my own little cognitive dissonance about the Fediverse:
The world needs more FOSS and information needs to flow in a decentralized, democratic kind of way.
Howeverrrrr.... Lemmy is awesome for we few that it clicks with. For the good of the users and especially the volunteer admins who run our instances, I am glad Lemmy is not the big glowing target that reddit is.
Maybe we just hang out and keep the lights on no matter whether it's for occasional lost Linux users or for when mainstream folks decide to ditch oligarch-tech en masse.
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Gross.
I continue to have my own little cognitive dissonance about the Fediverse:
The world needs more FOSS and information needs to flow in a decentralized, democratic kind of way.
Howeverrrrr.... Lemmy is awesome for we few that it clicks with. For the good of the users and especially the volunteer admins who run our instances, I am glad Lemmy is not the big glowing target that reddit is.
Maybe we just hang out and keep the lights on no matter whether it's for occasional lost Linux users or for when mainstream folks decide to ditch oligarch-tech en masse.
Lemmy has the feel to me that reddit did back in the day. I can only imagine as lemmy gets more popular and becomes big enough for big tech to take notice, that it will become consumed by the same garbage reddit has. Lemmy just isnt big enough yet for them to try and consume.
So for now Lemmy is great, but its only a matter of time before the turds find us here too.
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You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works
you should see subreddits devoted to various incurable medical problems. the ones that don't clamp down on supplements are horrific and I know for a fact lots of innocent people get caught up in it
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So it's just a grift. Makes sense, they always use grift-style buzzwords. I was about to comment on the ridiculousness of building a business solely on manipulation, but then I thought about it a bit more haha. Thanks for the explanation.
you should see subreddits devoted to various incurable medical problems. the ones that don't clamp down on supplements and snake oil are horrific and I know for a fact lots of innocent people get caught up in it
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Gross.
I continue to have my own little cognitive dissonance about the Fediverse:
The world needs more FOSS and information needs to flow in a decentralized, democratic kind of way.
Howeverrrrr.... Lemmy is awesome for we few that it clicks with. For the good of the users and especially the volunteer admins who run our instances, I am glad Lemmy is not the big glowing target that reddit is.
Maybe we just hang out and keep the lights on no matter whether it's for occasional lost Linux users or for when mainstream folks decide to ditch oligarch-tech en masse.
This sounds bad, but once the teens and grandparents find lemmy, then its game over. It happened to facebook and it happened to reddit. The masses cause a sort of averaging out of content.
How do we keep the fediverse niche?
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
This person is late to the game. Reddit has been like this for years.
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This sounds bad, but once the teens and grandparents find lemmy, then its game over. It happened to facebook and it happened to reddit. The masses cause a sort of averaging out of content.
How do we keep the fediverse niche?
How do we keep the fediverse niche?
Selective federation with servers that only give accounts to humans?
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This sounds bad, but once the teens and grandparents find lemmy, then its game over. It happened to facebook and it happened to reddit. The masses cause a sort of averaging out of content.
How do we keep the fediverse niche?
The decentralized model gives it a good head start against financial interest and populist mass adoption.
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Lemmy has the feel to me that reddit did back in the day. I can only imagine as lemmy gets more popular and becomes big enough for big tech to take notice, that it will become consumed by the same garbage reddit has. Lemmy just isnt big enough yet for them to try and consume.
So for now Lemmy is great, but its only a matter of time before the turds find us here too.
The federation will make lemmy a slippery target because as threads has shown us you can add a compromised server and people will block the instance or if it gets annoying enough admins will defederate it.
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We are all rats. When this ship sinks, we will float to the next, or (decide to) drop off.
All things considered, how much would actually be lost?
The alternative being.............
The benefit of the fediverse is that it's trivially "forkable". If lemmy.world and other big instances get overwhelmed with bullshit, I fully expect that many smaller chill/focused instances will defederate and keep on doing their own things, chatting only with each other - no need to jump any ships. Perhaps there would also be some in-between, instances which are federated with both worlds, and where you can get a combination of tons of niche information/entertainment but with bots, and a small amount of genuine human interaction. I hope if that ever happens, lemmy-the-software gets sorting algorithms to deal with these situations.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
In line of SEO, it makes me think, with how the fediverse works, it could end up being a search engine of its own. Including, I may add, for external contents as tracking bots are made. Quite an interesting realization.
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
reddit banned me, so i upvoted this post
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Oh, this is great.
Users noticed that Google had too much bad results because of SEO and spam flooded search results.
Users added "reddit" to their search terms, so they get results from reddit, where spam and astroturfing were... there but manageable.
Now the SEO people and advertisers target reddit with AI tools, until it is so enshitificated that we have to find something else (rinse and repeat)
"No, don't leave, we just finished saturating the space with ads!"
"Why do you think we leave?"
I mean astroturfing reddit was never new. It's why /r/HailCorporate existed and tools tried to disenfranchise that sub so much.
It's just 10 times worse because of the phenomenon you described. It also doesn't help that reddit and walled garden social media killed traditional forums so you don't have those to index anymore either. You either have SEO garbage sites trying to bombard you with ads and referral links, links to a walled garden you can't actually see, or reddit posts.
It's a cycle that's bound to repeat, especially with AI. Because that's how MBAs and snake oil salesmen get money, by ruining communal spaces.
