No wonder Reddit has turned to shit
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And when that happens, we move instances.
I wonder if we could make only the sign-up page of Lemmy and Piefed public to the internet, and the rest only accessible through login and verification of being actually bloody human? Could use anti-scraping measures...
the rest only accessible through login and verification
Yes. If you can't fight the death of the www, embrace it! Help making it happen!
/s
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the rest only accessible through login and verification
Yes. If you can't fight the death of the www, embrace it! Help making it happen!
/s
I don't need one of those stupid ID verifications. Something else should be that instead, but what, I do not know. Whatever helps counter AI scraping and preserves anonymity.
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That's discord model.
Fediverse needs to have a layer which traps AI in a never-ending maze.
That’s the job of the web server, not of the application that runs on it.
There is already software you can get that feeds a never-ending maze of text to AI scrapers, some of which is AI generated and/or designed to poison LLM training. The problem is that these still use up a ton of bandwidth.
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You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works
So it's just a grift. Makes sense, they always use grift-style buzzwords. I was about to comment on the ridiculousness of building a business solely on manipulation, but then I thought about it a bit more haha. Thanks for the explanation.
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I think there are some differences that make the fediverse more resilient to this. For example, the absence of cumulative account karma keeps out the reddit style karma farming. The ability to ban whole instances also makes it easier to kick out bad actors. Instance admins could also implement their own rules like switching to an invite based system to reduce bot spam. Also it seems to me that reddit is actively encouraging this kind behaviour to inflate their user statistics and there is no incentive to tolerate this kind of spam for a fediverse server admin.
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karma is meaningless to seo outside of account restrictions. the people doing this as a job aren't doing it for imaginary internet points
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it doesn't matter what individual instances do as long as the largest ones have open signups
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
I have no idea what any of that means, and I'm happy with that.
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People downvote me when I say it. That's all cope. We're not wrong; if and when this goes mainstream, it'll attract the same bad actors just as heavily.
Of course, there are surely already a few here testing the waters.
There's no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won't carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.
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I have no idea what any of that means, and I'm happy with that.
Shitification.
It means shitification.
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Even snail mail.
Idk their new album sounds pretty good
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Even snail mail.
It infuriates me to no end almost everyday I get new plasticized paper ads in my snail mail. Like yeah keep destroying the planet in hopes of selling more junk to destroy the planet with. And my city made it mandatory ! They are not allowed to skip a house.
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A never-ending maze would mean the scrapers just hammer our servers forever. Better to lead them into a honeypot and automatically ban their IP. Like PieFed does.
So just find scrapers and bot farm owners IRL and burn down their houses, easy
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It'll happen in the Fediverse too.
I'm looking for a network and/or internet with strong authentication which is open for unique human users only. Sure, bots could still use someone's credentials but at least their scale & impact would be limited.
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So it's just a grift. Makes sense, they always use grift-style buzzwords. I was about to comment on the ridiculousness of building a business solely on manipulation, but then I thought about it a bit more haha. Thanks for the explanation.
building a business solely on manipulation
See also: all of advertising and marketing
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building a business solely on manipulation
See also: all of advertising and marketing
Haha yep, my exact train of thought while typing
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I'm looking for a network and/or internet with strong authentication which is open for unique human users only. Sure, bots could still use someone's credentials but at least their scale & impact would be limited.
If you've any suggestion on how to implement that, then it's a million-dollar idea.
The "I'm a human" test that only takes a few seconds and then lets you do what you like for an hour was always vulnerable to 'auth farms'. Pay some poor bastards in the third world a pittance to pass the test a thousand times an hour, let the bots run wild. And the bots have gained the ability to pass the tests themselves, at least by boiling the oceans in some datacentre while the VC money holds out.
Finding the people running the bots, fitting them with some very heavy boots and then seeing if they can swim in the deep ocean is probably needlessly cruel, but I'd be up for tarring and feathering a few. Once the videos got out, the rest might think harder about their life choices...
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You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works
This is why I just never talk about brand-name products online, I don't want to seem like an advertising shill account (I'm just here to get into heated political arguments and shitpost)
I'll recommend things to people I know IRL, but very rarely will I do it online
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I have no idea what any of that means, and I'm happy with that.
means bozos are making even searching exclusively by reddit useless because they're making the post get to the first page through writing SEO + ad for their own shit on itI am wrong on the internet
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I don't understand the point of this. Like, you figure out how to increase traffic on certain posts/comments and there's somehow a push for this? Do they get money somehow? These people always use terminology and ceo buzzwords as if it's some big business level that people are aspiring to reach, but what's the actual point? Why would I care if my post/comment exploded? Was I just using Reddit wrong?
They're trying to get their comments slurped up by AI bots so that whenever somebody asks a chatbot about waffles, the chatbot says that Crappo Brand Waffles are what kids crave (TM).
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Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.
The turbo-hell part is that the spam comments aren't even being written for humans to see. The intention is that ChatGPT picks up the spam and incorporates it into its training.
I worked at a company that sold to doctors and the marketing team was spending most of their effort on this kind of thing. They said that nowadays when doctors want to know "what should I buy to solve X?" or "which is better A or B?" they ask ChatGPT and take its answer as factual. They said that they were very successful in generating blog articles for OpenAI to train on so that our product would be the preferred answer.
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You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works
Its not just about random people reading the comment, but specifically LLMs that use reddit as a source, because becoming the chatbots' go to answer when people ask 'what lawnmower should I buy' is increasingly more valuable than paying for a google search Ad.
