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No wonder Reddit has turned to shit

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  • N noxastrum@lemmy.ca

    I have no idea what any of that means, and I'm happy with that.

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    small_quasar@lemmy.world
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    #54

    Shitification.

    It means shitification.

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    • J jaybone@lemmy.zip

      Even snail mail.

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      zo0@programming.dev
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      Idk their new album sounds pretty good

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      • J jaybone@lemmy.zip

        Even snail mail.

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        VieuxQueb
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        It infuriates me to no end almost everyday I get new plasticized paper ads in my snail mail. Like yeah keep destroying the planet in hopes of selling more junk to destroy the planet with. And my city made it mandatory ! They are not allowed to skip a house.

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        • RimuR Rimu

          A never-ending maze would mean the scrapers just hammer our servers forever. Better to lead them into a honeypot and automatically ban their IP. Like PieFed does.

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          pimento64@sopuli.xyz
          wrote last edited by pimento64@sopuli.xyz
          #57

          So just find scrapers and bot farm owners IRL and burn down their houses, easy

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          • A allzeitbereit@feddit.uk

            It'll happen in the Fediverse too.

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            findus@feddit.org
            wrote last edited by
            #58

            I'm looking for a network and/or internet with strong authentication which is open for unique human users only. Sure, bots could still use someone's credentials but at least their scale & impact would be limited.

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            • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

              So it's just a grift. Makes sense, they always use grift-style buzzwords. I was about to comment on the ridiculousness of building a business solely on manipulation, but then I thought about it a bit more haha. Thanks for the explanation.

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              farting_gorilla@lemmy.world
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              building a business solely on manipulation

              See also: all of advertising and marketing

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              • F farting_gorilla@lemmy.world

                building a business solely on manipulation

                See also: all of advertising and marketing

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                jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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                #60

                Haha yep, my exact train of thought while typing

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                • F findus@feddit.org

                  I'm looking for a network and/or internet with strong authentication which is open for unique human users only. Sure, bots could still use someone's credentials but at least their scale & impact would be limited.

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                  addie@feddit.uk
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                  #61

                  If you've any suggestion on how to implement that, then it's a million-dollar idea.

                  The "I'm a human" test that only takes a few seconds and then lets you do what you like for an hour was always vulnerable to 'auth farms'. Pay some poor bastards in the third world a pittance to pass the test a thousand times an hour, let the bots run wild. And the bots have gained the ability to pass the tests themselves, at least by boiling the oceans in some datacentre while the VC money holds out.

                  Finding the people running the bots, fitting them with some very heavy boots and then seeing if they can swim in the deep ocean is probably needlessly cruel, but I'd be up for tarring and feathering a few. Once the videos got out, the rest might think harder about their life choices...

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                  • 4 4am@lemmy.zip

                    You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works

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                    votenixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    #62

                    This is why I just never talk about brand-name products online, I don't want to seem like an advertising shill account (I'm just here to get into heated political arguments and shitpost)

                    I'll recommend things to people I know IRL, but very rarely will I do it online

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                    • N noxastrum@lemmy.ca

                      I have no idea what any of that means, and I'm happy with that.

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                      Clairvoidance
                      wrote last edited by clairvoidance@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                      #63

                      means bozos are making even searching exclusively by reddit useless because they're making the post get to the first page through writing SEO + ad for their own shit on it

                      I am wrong on the internet

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                      • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

                        I don't understand the point of this. Like, you figure out how to increase traffic on certain posts/comments and there's somehow a push for this? Do they get money somehow? These people always use terminology and ceo buzzwords as if it's some big business level that people are aspiring to reach, but what's the actual point? Why would I care if my post/comment exploded? Was I just using Reddit wrong?

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                        shawiniganhandshake@sh.itjust.works
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                        #64

                        They're trying to get their comments slurped up by AI bots so that whenever somebody asks a chatbot about waffles, the chatbot says that Crappo Brand Waffles are what kids crave (TM).

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                        • saarthS saarth

                          Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                          mniot@programming.dev
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                          The turbo-hell part is that the spam comments aren't even being written for humans to see. The intention is that ChatGPT picks up the spam and incorporates it into its training.

                          I worked at a company that sold to doctors and the marketing team was spending most of their effort on this kind of thing. They said that nowadays when doctors want to know "what should I buy to solve X?" or "which is better A or B?" they ask ChatGPT and take its answer as factual. They said that they were very successful in generating blog articles for OpenAI to train on so that our product would be the preferred answer.

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                          • 4 4am@lemmy.zip

                            You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works

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                            tamo240@programming.dev
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                            Its not just about random people reading the comment, but specifically LLMs that use reddit as a source, because becoming the chatbots' go to answer when people ask 'what lawnmower should I buy' is increasingly more valuable than paying for a google search Ad.

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                            • saarthS saarth

                              Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                              prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                              God, I just hate the way these people fucking talk. Everything is a bulleted list and sentence fragments.

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                              • R reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world

                                Wtf it literally never crossed my might to use a forum like this. So fucking dumb. It's like everyone is scrambling for a couple percent points over the next

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                                slaacaa@lemmy.world
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                                Line must go up, always & forever.

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                                • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                  God, I just hate the way these people fucking talk. Everything is a bulleted list and sentence fragments.

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                                  munkisquisher@lemmy.nz
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                                  That's one of the signs of LLM output, take any idea and have it flesh it out into short article. It'll bullet point the crap out of it

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                                  • 4 4am@lemmy.zip

                                    You mention your product in the reply and hope that some poor sap doesn’t realize it’s astroturfing and thinks they’re finding a really glowing honest review from a totally organic real person who recommended a thing they found that actually works

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                                    flauschige_lemmata@lemmy.world
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                                    Even worse: They are hoping that LLMs in training don't realize that it's an ad

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                                    • ClairvoidanceC Clairvoidance

                                      means bozos are making even searching exclusively by reddit useless because they're making the post get to the first page through writing SEO + ad for their own shit on it

                                      I am wrong on the internet

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                                      TWeaK
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                                      Not quite. They're making posts on reddit that few if any humans will ever read, targeting rising threads and planting comments before AI reads them. Then when someone asks AI a related question, it regurgitates the planted comment rather than established facts.

                                      So it's not SEO on humans searching reddit, more like SEO in the AI domain.

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                                      • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        God, I just hate the way these people fucking talk. Everything is a bulleted list and sentence fragments.

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                                        kahnclusions@lemmy.ca
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                                        100% written by an LLM. They always use this tone and it’s infuriating.

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                                        • M munkisquisher@lemmy.nz

                                          That's one of the signs of LLM output, take any idea and have it flesh it out into short article. It'll bullet point the crap out of it

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                                          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                          Yeah, but even when it's not an LLM, they type like this now

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