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  • G Grail

    Destroy Reality. Create a Multiverse.

    MULTIVERSE is a PieFed instance for soulists. Our rules are designed to create a safe space for minorities, including those considered unreal by society. We are also an anarchist instance and do not allow tankie propaganda. We aim for transparent and fair moderation in line with the principles of anarcho-antirealism, and to be fertile ground for discussion of soulist ideology. We also aim to be intuitive to use for new fediverse denizens who don't care how federation works, and are just interested in the politics. Our manifesto can be found at http://soulism.net.

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    kip
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    great news. love to the swarm

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    • G Grail

      Yes. Gravity does not ask one's consent before pulling. If one has arthritis or chronic fatigue, gravity will hurt them. I believe in building technology to challenge the dominance of this law, such as wheelchairs, fitness programs, and science fiction antigravity machines.

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      goferking (he/him)
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      There would not be life without gravity though...

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      • E El Barto

        You technically answered my question, but that verges in strawman territory, man. I was talking about the absurdity of considering gravity a form of human oppression. Can you tell me why I shouldn't see it as absurd, given that it's a natural, inescapable law?

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        Grail
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        I don't really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I'm glad the Wright brothers didn't), but there are other "natural, inescapable laws" that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won't be one of those people.

        For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a "natural, inescapable law". And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a "natural, inescapable law", and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.

        I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

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        • G goferking (he/him)

          There would not be life without gravity though...

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          Grail
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          True, but that doesn't make gravity all good. It puts gravity on about the same ethical standing as an abusive parent. If we can find a way to improve gravity, we should do it.

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          • G Grail

            I don't really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I'm glad the Wright brothers didn't), but there are other "natural, inescapable laws" that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won't be one of those people.

            For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a "natural, inescapable law". And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a "natural, inescapable law", and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.

            I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

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            El Barto
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            I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

            I can certainly do that.

            I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

            Well, this is not helping.


            But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It's everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth's gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system's gravity, or the galaxy's gravity, or the local cluster's gravity. So that's my point. The Wright Brothers "example" is a non-starter.

            Everything else you mentioned are not "natural laws." They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

            But I thought soulism went beyond that. It's okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

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            • E El Barto

              I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

              I can certainly do that.

              I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

              Well, this is not helping.


              But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It's everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth's gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system's gravity, or the galaxy's gravity, or the local cluster's gravity. So that's my point. The Wright Brothers "example" is a non-starter.

              Everything else you mentioned are not "natural laws." They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

              But I thought soulism went beyond that. It's okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

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              Grail
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              #47

              Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it's not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus "escaped".

              So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity's fakeness isn't that important.

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              • E El Barto

                I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

                I can certainly do that.

                I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

                Well, this is not helping.


                But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It's everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth's gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system's gravity, or the galaxy's gravity, or the local cluster's gravity. So that's my point. The Wright Brothers "example" is a non-starter.

                Everything else you mentioned are not "natural laws." They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

                But I thought soulism went beyond that. It's okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

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                Grail
                wrote last edited by grail@multiverse.soulism.net
                #48

                The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It's the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You're less realist. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven't gone far enough yet.

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                • T tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world

                  most people don't care about sides. they just care about money.

                  and rightfully so. your theory or political stance can't buy you food or a car or other basic necessities.

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                  rako
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                  Caring about money is taking a side though

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                  • H hector@lemmy.today

                    I reject directionalism, I do not give a shit what you or anyone else thinks is left or right. Measured from the colon of billionaires the only direction we need to go is straight backwards.

                    Unilaterally banning groups just echo chambers everyone more, and you give them plenty of ammo constructing insufferable super sensitive overly politically correct charactitures.

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                    rako
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                    Going against bilionaires is going pretty left though

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                    • E El Barto

                      I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

                      I can certainly do that.

                      I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

                      Well, this is not helping.


                      But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It's everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth's gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system's gravity, or the galaxy's gravity, or the local cluster's gravity. So that's my point. The Wright Brothers "example" is a non-starter.

                      Everything else you mentioned are not "natural laws." They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

                      But I thought soulism went beyond that. It's okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

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                      rako
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                      A more interesting way is to understand that there is a difference between what is and how it affects us. The point isn't so much to decide whether gravity exists or not but to make sure it doesn't impose any unfair weight (ha) on some members of the society and not others. When we say "it's just exists" we're very close to say "there's nothing we can do about this" and that justifies unfair situations.

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                      • G Grail

                        The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It's the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You're less realist. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven't gone far enough yet.

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                        El Barto
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                        I fundamentally disagree with all you said. You're essentially saying that we must believe in subjectivities, which is a core principle of all religions even if they don't say so.

                        By remaining truly objective, I have preserved my capability to be free and to help those surrounding me.

                        Yours is just some other metaphysical philosophy, and the "soul" in soulism, a concept I don't believe in at all, should have tipped me off.

                        Good luck with everything. Have a nice weekend.

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                        • G Grail

                          Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it's not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus "escaped".

                          So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity's fakeness isn't that important.

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                          El Barto
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                          Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked

                          Can't speak for the Aristotle part, but yup...... that sentence is just bullshit. Don't say stuff like this in public, man. It's embarrassing.

                          Ok, I'm done with this topic.

                          Have a good weekend.

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                            I fundamentally disagree with all you said. You're essentially saying that we must believe in subjectivities, which is a core principle of all religions even if they don't say so.

                            By remaining truly objective, I have preserved my capability to be free and to help those surrounding me.

                            Yours is just some other metaphysical philosophy, and the "soul" in soulism, a concept I don't believe in at all, should have tipped me off.

                            Good luck with everything. Have a nice weekend.

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                            Grail
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                            I find it quite sad that you don't believe chocolate tastes good. I do, and the fact brings Me happiness, despite its subjectivity.

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                            • E El Barto

                              Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked

                              Can't speak for the Aristotle part, but yup...... that sentence is just bullshit. Don't say stuff like this in public, man. It's embarrassing.

                              Ok, I'm done with this topic.

                              Have a good weekend.

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                              Grail
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                              https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/einstein-showed-newton-was-wrong-about-gravity-now-scientists-are-ncna1038671

                              Einstein showed Newton was wrong about gravity

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                              • rakoR rako

                                Caring about money is taking a side though

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                                tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world
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                                nobody doesn't care about money. anyone who says they don't is a liar and are usually the people who are the most easily bought.

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                                • T tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world

                                  nobody doesn't care about money. anyone who says they don't is a liar and are usually the people who are the most easily bought.

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                                  rako
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                                  You must care about money in a capitalist world, of course; the real question is do you want money to matter all the time or not

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                                    You must care about money in a capitalist world, of course; the real question is do you want money to matter all the time or not

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                                    tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world
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                                    it doesn't matter what you want, society dictates the rules.

                                    unless you go off the grid or something. then you can go make your perfect society, because there won't be one.

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                                    • T tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world

                                      it doesn't matter what you want, society dictates the rules.

                                      unless you go off the grid or something. then you can go make your perfect society, because there won't be one.

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                                      rako
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                                      Society isn't fate. It doesn't come out of nothing. Accepting/keeping the status quo is accepting the balance that exists, and it's been going right for a dong time.

                                      It's not just about what you can or can't do, it's about where you're pushing to

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                                        A more interesting way is to understand that there is a difference between what is and how it affects us. The point isn't so much to decide whether gravity exists or not but to make sure it doesn't impose any unfair weight (ha) on some members of the society and not others. When we say "it's just exists" we're very close to say "there's nothing we can do about this" and that justifies unfair situations.

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                                        El Barto
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                                        I understand. Thanks!

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                                        • G Grail

                                          https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/einstein-showed-newton-was-wrong-about-gravity-now-scientists-are-ncna1038671

                                          Einstein showed Newton was wrong about gravity

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                                          El Barto
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                                          Lol!

                                          For other readers: Einstein expanded Newton's findings. Classical vs quantum physics.

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