‘Pluribus’ What Do You Think? What I would have Preferred,
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Well, clearly the writers dont know much about flying a cargo plane, or just used her flying it filthy, alone and serene as a way to make a bigger point about how the aliens value their lives, and in contrast, human lives. I expect it was more the latter than the former, but either may be true.
I can tell you as a person who does not fly cargo planes, that their point about "alienness" came across very well in that shot. Its unfortunate that it did not for you, but I expect it did translate for those outsite of your profession.
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Well, clearly the writers dont know much about flying a cargo plane, or just used her flying it filthy, alone and serene as a way to make a bigger point about how the aliens value their lives, and in contrast, human lives. I expect it was more the latter than the former, but either may be true.
I can tell you as a person who does not fly cargo planes, that their point about "alienness" came across very well in that shot. Its unfortunate that it did not for you, but I expect it did translate for those outsite of your profession.
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If the entity truly connected all human minds, it would be of no significant consequence to murder the handful of people that didn't 'connect'. Period. Ever. Humanity has proven that a handful of deaths is nothing in the face of progress.
Why should that change now that everyone is connected?
Because they value life and are extremely empathetic beings. If your priority is preserving life in all its form, if you are driven to sharing what you experience with the rest of existence, then murder is no solution. Do they want progress? Sure: they are still highly curious beings after the joining, but not at the expense of another life, regardless of how easy or convenient it might appear to be from a "rational" standpoint.
And as for the plane, could it not be seen as arrogance symptomatic of the joining? I mean sure, those things you mentioned could happen – heart attack, complications – but the collective is so confident in its knowledge and ability that it doesn't think the likelihood of complications ensuing is high enough to crew the plane with more than one person.
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So it's difficult to discuss this show as you've only seen the first two episodes and I've watched all nine episodes twice.
However even from the first two episodes, I'm not sure you and I watched the same show.
I think it's fine to wish for a show to be something, but you can't fault a show for not being something it never tried to be. You can't watch Shakespeare and complain that it lacked a big car chase scene.
I think you've picked up on some of the themes of Pluribus, but you haven't caught them all, and you may be wrong about others.
You can't watch Shakespeare and complain that it lacked a big car chase scene.
Hey, now that you mention it, that's a huge problem. Who funded these scripts?
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I'm going into some spoilers here OP, so please avoid if you like.
The "whole" value human lives above all else, but they are no longer human. They are a gestalt consiousness that is alien at its core. They combined carry the shared human experience, and as such, do not mourn any individual death of their hosts. The knowledge and "soul" of the joined is shared across them all. That makes any hosts individual deaths irrelevant to them. That person "lives" on in the gesalt mind.
Because the unjoined are outside of this, they do not have their minds safely shared, so the alien consiousness, who values life above all else, finds losing them to be utterly unacceptable. It finds losing any life unacceptable, but has a specific fondness for humans that are not "safely" joined.
The aliens will do anything in its power to aid the humans until they can join with it, to share with them. The showrunners go to pains to show they mean "anything" in a very literal way. Any resource the unjoined want is theirs, at a whim.
In this way, the show makes perfect sense. The aliens have an alien perspective because they are no longer human as we understand it. The humans are still "us," but they are confronted by an insane world where the threat isnt physical harm, but an unravelling of what it means to be human. How the humans grapple with this new world, with a pervasive alien mind that wants to both aid them and destroy them, and what that says about humanity, is the show.
You fixating on technical inaccuracies during an early 5 minute shot to dismiss the show is maybe understandable given your job, but its very much missing the forest for the trees. That shot, technically wrong as it may have been, carried some very heavy subtext that echoed through the whole season about what the aliens are, and what they value. In that, it was done very well.
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What asinine decisions do the Hive make?
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I think this is a very small grievance. I don't recall if that girl was the only person in the cockpit at the time, but you can just imagine there were two other hived there if you want to.
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I'm going into some spoilers here OP, so please avoid if you like.
The "whole" value human lives above all else, but they are no longer human. They are a gestalt consiousness that is alien at its core. They combined carry the shared human experience, and as such, do not mourn any individual death of their hosts. The knowledge and "soul" of the joined is shared across them all. That makes any hosts individual deaths irrelevant to them. That person "lives" on in the gesalt mind.
Because the unjoined are outside of this, they do not have their minds safely shared, so the alien consiousness, who values life above all else, finds losing them to be utterly unacceptable. It finds losing any life unacceptable, but has a specific fondness for humans that are not "safely" joined.
The aliens will do anything in its power to aid the humans until they can join with it, to share with them. The showrunners go to pains to show they mean "anything" in a very literal way. Any resource the unjoined want is theirs, at a whim.
In this way, the show makes perfect sense. The aliens have an alien perspective because they are no longer human as we understand it. The humans are still "us," but they are confronted by an insane world where the threat isnt physical harm, but an unravelling of what it means to be human. How the humans grapple with this new world, with a pervasive alien mind that wants to both aid them and destroy them, and what that says about humanity, is the show.
You fixating on technical inaccuracies during an early 5 minute shot to dismiss the show is maybe understandable given your job, but its very much missing the forest for the trees. That shot, technically wrong as it may have been, carried some very heavy subtext that echoed through the whole season about what the aliens are, and what they value. In that, it was done very well.
Yes, this show is the perfect example of Blue & Orange Morality.
The aliens simply do not make sense to us here. And that's the point.
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I really like this series & find it unique & interesting, though I do not have Apple + streaming service & It is not yet downloading in order & all the episodes to my ‘PLEX’ service, so all I have watched are FIRST-2-EPISODES, SO PLEASE NOTHING ABOUT EPISODES PAST 2ND.
What is your opinions?
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I do love the idea that our stupid need to explore space (while <not in the series> on Earth there are huge, sick & evil problems that gets push aside) causes a microscopic beings into Earth & they escape through scientist. With that being said, I am so tired of this Individualism in our society & is manipulated a lot for Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes’/Owners’ increased wealths, thus her trying keep what makes her an individual & trying to save what all of her species members individuals (personality & such) is the only story line. I also love that the microscopic Beings do not want them to want for anything or come to the least bit of harm. I love how interesting it is when the main character passes-out, I assume from drinking or gets angry, they freak-out/rush over to help her, only to drop to the ground & pass-out themselves. Though I can guess where that is headed,See if you think this would have been a better story line to the series-
Our stupid need to explore space & need for Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners to make profits/wealths over everything else, while on Earth there are huge, sick & evil problems that gets push aside. It bites our species in the BLANK when we decide to kidnap a microscopic Beings back to Earth, with returning robots & they escape within a scientist, because she accidentally injects herself with some of them. The microscopic Beings are of two-make-ups, one is like ‘The Pluribus’ series where they are all of one-minds & no room for individuality & the other make-up is all are individuals & no room for shared existence, no matter how many bodies they both take over. Both are the problems, The not infected/controlled people are individualistic, unlike ‘The Pluribus’ series microscopic Beings, but they can also come together to act as one, not just because they can share one-mind, like the microscopic Beings, more importantly, over time they learn they can respect, understand & Etc. work together for the betterment of the species & for the species survival. Thanks to appreciating their shared experiences, from the good & bad happening all around them. Thus they can do what both (I guess that is the best scientific term to use) families of species of The Microscopic Beings can do, at will though, switching back & forth. Sure I like how the members of our species that cannot yet be turned are far from healthy members of our species. Like the main character is a alcoholic.
People have asked why, so I will put it here for all to read,
I am tired of the individualistic BLANK in our entertainment, when really if honestly look at our country, let alone most countries (especially Capitalist & Caucasian dominated countries), individualism is the problem & is manipulated by The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners for their benefits.
Look at The Canada & Scandinavian Countries, where just being respectful, understanding & Etc. working together for the betterment of their lives, thanks to appreciating their shared experiences, from the good & bad happening all around them. Result better countries & people living in them. Of course I agree the people, in the above, are almost entirely Caucasian & thus that are not & already there are treated a lot worse (like Canada’s Indigenous peoples) & those non-Caucasian people trying to get in have go through tons of Capitalist dominated EU countries that try make as hard as possible to get through.
I really enjoyed the show and look forward to more. There’s a lot going on in terms of metaphor use, with Vince Gilligan’s somewhat dry humor.
I just torrented the whole series since I’m also not subbed to Apple at the moment.
Got me to finally go back to watch Better Call Saul which I just finished recently! And now I’m back onto Breaking Bad for the second time.
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I really enjoyed the show and look forward to more. There’s a lot going on in terms of metaphor use, with Vince Gilligan’s somewhat dry humor.
I just torrented the whole series since I’m also not subbed to Apple at the moment.
Got me to finally go back to watch Better Call Saul which I just finished recently! And now I’m back onto Breaking Bad for the second time.
There’s a lot going on in terms of metaphor use, with Vince Gilligan’s somewhat dry humor.
What are those?
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Yes, this show is the perfect example of Blue & Orange Morality.
The aliens simply do not make sense to us here. And that's the point.
Great phrase for this that ive never heard. Tvtropes warning yall.
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I think this is a very small grievance. I don't recall if that girl was the only person in the cockpit at the time, but you can just imagine there were two other hived there if you want to.
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Yeah, I know. I'm just saying it seems like a small oversight that doesn't really change anything regarding the hive as a whole. You can just imagine there were two other people in the background.
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Such as?
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So far as I've seen you're purely focusing on them being reckless with the plane as contradicting their ethos.
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So far as I've seen you're purely focusing on them being reckless with the plane as contradicting their ethos.
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I just don't think the plane thing is that deep here. I think the writers just used it to illustrate that anyone can fly planes now so they use some teen girl for that.
So I'm asking for other examples.
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I just don't think the plane thing is that deep here. I think the writers just used it to illustrate that anyone can fly planes now so they use some teen girl for that.
So I'm asking for other examples.
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