Piefed admin settings that allow to enable or disable content filters (they are disabled by default, see body for details)
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The software kind of scores you on a few metrics. Like the ratio of the things you vote up vs down. I'm sure there are others.
No, that's it. Reputation (how much you are downvoted) and Attitude (how much you downvote)
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Edit about the 4chan image blocking, I asked Rimu directly:
I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.
So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529
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Original message:A few people in the other thread assumed that it was required to fork the code to disable those filters. That's not the case, the filters can be configured, and are off by default.
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
That CSS line can also be used by any user wanting to hide the score at the user level.
Sounds like these settings are very reasonable to have turned on. Although I would be cautious of how the "4chan" filter is implemented, it sounds easy to overdo.
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A lot of people looking at the code were saying these things were hardcoded, even after seeing an if statement which checks if the thing is enabled, which is straight up wrong unless you consider it hard coded because its coded, into the codebase.
unless you consider it hard coded because its coded into the codebase
That’s precisely the common definition and understanding of the term.
E: Sorry, I see what you mean in context now. I thought we were talking about a different piefed feature with a similar anti-4chan label that used a set of hardcoded strings to blacklist comments. Yeah, the tesseract image filter isn’t quite what I’d call hardcoded in and of itself.
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But just for the mods to know if you are a troll to help moderate better, if they remove posts, do they tell you it is removed or like Reddit does it appear like it is still posted but only you can see it?
No, it should show as removed on here.
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No, that's it. Reputation (how much you are downvoted) and Attitude (how much you downvote)
Aaaah, cool yeah. I never looked too deep at it. Just knew that much.
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Edit about the 4chan image blocking, I asked Rimu directly:
I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.
So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529
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Original message:A few people in the other thread assumed that it was required to fork the code to disable those filters. That's not the case, the filters can be configured, and are off by default.
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
That CSS line can also be used by any user wanting to hide the score at the user level.
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But just for the mods to know if you are a troll to help moderate better, if they remove posts, do they tell you it is removed or like Reddit does it appear like it is still posted but only you can see it?
Oh no. Actually AFAIK its basically public for everyone to see unless disabled. At least attitude is. Yours is currently scored at 86. Meaning you've been 5x as likely to upvote as downvote. I think the rep one is different. Nothing more happening with it ATM than that I think.
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Some of piefed instances put removed in italics where the word cunt was. Obviously that would only be a deal breaker for the ones that do it.
I only remember Lemmy forcing its hard coded “slur filter” on all instances. It took a lot of backlash to get them to make it optional.
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Those checkboxes have been there since version 0.9. Ages.
The problem with grabbing small snippets of code is a lot of context is lost. Don't trust anyone who does that. PieFed has 50,000 lines of code so anyone showing you 50 lines is leaving out 99.9% of the picture.
As I said a month ago, anyone with honest questions about how things work who wants to make PieFed better knows where to find us. You don't have to be a coder, we need translators, designers, documentation writers, bug reporters, community evangelists and all that.
Why the constant shitting on "tankies" if you're gonna have a social credit score?
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So what is the lowering reputation part. Are the mods grading your posts and then reducing their visibility?
I was a bit put off with the de federating from some of the other communities, but I had contact with one that I had to admit really needs to be de Federated from. Hexbear, chapotraphouse. Never had s problem with the .ml or whatever.
But I noticed some remove the word cunt too, which is a dealbreaker for me.
To be clear, defederation has nothing whatsoever to do with PieFed.
Defederation happens on Lemmy, Mastodon, Friendica, Pixelfed, nodeBB, and every other type of software across the entire Fediverse. It is even an absolutely crucial tool to prevent CSAM which depending on the locality of the affected instance could get it shut down and potentially the instance owner exposed to actual criminal charges. (There are other ways, but typically defederation is the easiest.)
Likewise, lemmy.ml famously censors what they consider cusswords on their instance - with a hard-coded list even, iirc, at least it was at one time, years ago - but then after much outcry this censorship was made optional in the code.
So defederation is a reason to not join an instance in favor of some other one, but has nothing to do with wanting to either avoid or preferentially pick an instance running PieFed. In fact the opposite is true, as the PieFed software allows additional options beyond simply federate vs. defederate, allowing instance admins choices between those two extremes. This finer granularity is so helpful! e.g. the PieFed.zip instance blocks Hexbear.net by default for new users, but explains how to remove that, thereby offering hexbear as opt-in content, rather than having to choose between treating it identically the same as all other instances or else cutting it out entirely.
PieFed also allows notes to be placed onto content, which is particularly helpful for places such as Beehaw where their stated ToS differs from the usual across the rest of the Threadiverse.
In fact I am not aware of any particular reason to avoid running PieFed, but anyway even presuming that such exists, defederation is definitely not among them.
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Edit about the 4chan image blocking, I asked Rimu directly:
I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.
So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529
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Original message:A few people in the other thread assumed that it was required to fork the code to disable those filters. That's not the case, the filters can be configured, and are off by default.
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
That CSS line can also be used by any user wanting to hide the score at the user level.
I get that many people are concerned about is scoring systems, but it seems a lot more worrying to me that it allows arbitrary code execution.
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I only remember Lemmy forcing its hard coded “slur filter” on all instances. It took a lot of backlash to get them to make it optional.
That was a temporary measure very early in development, when moderation tooling was still very incomplete. This was to avoid ending up like Voat. Once mod tools were implemented, the slur filter became optional. Simple as that.
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I get that many people are concerned about is scoring systems, but it seems a lot more worrying to me that it allows arbitrary code execution.
Wait what? I read in other threads the code was bad, not I didn't think it'd be this bad.
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Why the constant shitting on "tankies" if you're gonna have a social credit score?
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I get that many people are concerned about is scoring systems, but it seems a lot more worrying to me that it allows arbitrary code execution.
arbitrary
You mean the Javascript that would need to be written and added by the instance admin? Something that any admin with infra access could do anyway? Hardly seems arbitrary at all. ACE usually means something not intended.
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Wasn't the biggest concern and question why it didn't do an actual error message and is there any notes to say the performance impact having the 4chan filter on?
I'd also argue
To hide the reputation system, here's a line of CSS that admins can add in the admin area to hide it for every user
Does absolutely nothing to assure people concerned about it being a thing. Like hiding it doesn't do anything about it being a thing
Yeah it reeks of "you can complain about CCP-like behaviour but not in a way that actually effects any change".
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Wait what? I read in other threads the code was bad, not I didn't think it'd be this bad.
They're just making shit up. In their mind I guess Javascript that is intentionally included by an admin to customize their instance counts as ACE. In that sense any webserver you ever browse to is capable of ACE.
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Those checkboxes have been there since version 0.9. Ages.
The problem with grabbing small snippets of code is a lot of context is lost. Don't trust anyone who does that. PieFed has 50,000 lines of code so anyone showing you 50 lines is leaving out 99.9% of the picture.
As I said a month ago, anyone with honest questions about how things work who wants to make PieFed better knows where to find us. You don't have to be a coder, we need translators, designers, documentation writers, bug reporters, community evangelists and all that.
Clean, simple code that is easy to understand and contribute to
The problem with grabbing small snippets of code is a lot of context is lost. Don't trust anyone who does that. PieFed has 50,000 lines of code so anyone showing you 50 lines is leaving out 99.9% of the picture.
These 2 statements are incompatible.
Plus depending on the snippets they definitely can tell how things work
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arbitrary
You mean the Javascript that would need to be written and added by the instance admin? Something that any admin with infra access could do anyway? Hardly seems arbitrary at all. ACE usually means something not intended.
Well, just copy and pasted rather than written. I would have hoped that infra read-level permission, infra write-level permission and admin interface permissions were all separate to begin with, even if the person who spun up the instance obviously has all three.
You do need a level of trust in an admin, of course, but wide open text boxes for putting in code are a questionable system design choice, in my opinion. It adds an extra point of possible entry that then relies on the security of the overall admin interface instead of limiting it to what should require highest level infra admin permissions to access. And if it is something that would be limited to someone who has those, then what is the actual utility of having a textarea for it in the first place?
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