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GOG job listing for a Senior Software Engineer notes "Linux is the next major frontier"

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  • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

    It's not doomposting, it's realistic. LLMs will provide true aids to developers, and already do. They excel at formal languages, that's what they are designed for. I'm not talking about vibe coding, I'm talking formatters, style guides, linters, boilerplates, translation, configuration etc.

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    HarkMahlberg
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    We had all of those things before AI and they worked just fine and didn't require 50 Exowatts of electricity to run.

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    • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

      It's not doomposting, it's realistic. LLMs will provide true aids to developers, and already do. They excel at formal languages, that's what they are designed for. I'm not talking about vibe coding, I'm talking formatters, style guides, linters, boilerplates, translation, configuration etc.

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      Goodeye8
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      None of what you brought up as a positive are things an LLM does. Most of those things existed before the modern transformer-based LLMs were even a thing.

      LLM-s are glorified text prediction engines and nothing about their nature makes them excel at formal languages. It doesn't know any rules. It doesn't have any internal logic. For example if the training data consistently exhibits the same flawed piece of code then an LLM will spit out the same flawed piece of code, because that's the most likely continuation of its current "train of thought". You would have to fine-tune the model around all those flaws and then hope some combination of a prompt won't lead the model back into that flawed data.

      I've used LLMs to generate SQL, which according to you is something they should excel at, and I've had to fix literal syntax errors that would prevent the statement from executing. A regular SQL linter would instantly pick up that the SQL is wrong but an LLM can't pick up those errors because an LLM does not understand the syntax.

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      • V village604@adultswim.fan

        If making art is the process of getting something inspired in your head into the physical world, then it would make one an artist. AI would be a tool to achieve that.

        Many people still don't consider digital artists to be artists because they use tools that make it easier than physical art.

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        the_q@lemmy.zip
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        Is that what art is? Who doesn't consider digital artists to be artists? Point some out.

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        • T tomalley8342@lemmy.world

          Job Requirements:

          Active use of AI tools in daily development workflows, and enthusiasm for helping the team increase adoption

          Nice to have:

          Passion for games and game preservation

          AI Mandatory, game preservation optional. Glad they got their priorities straight šŸ˜…

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          HarkMahlberg
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          Here's the secret: talk a big game about being pro AI in the interview, then just don't use it on the job. What are they gonna do, grab your hands and put your mouse cursor on the Copilot button?

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          • Luminous5481 [they/them]L Luminous5481 [they/them]

            When you say, ā€œI’m just expressing an opinion, why are you doing the sameā€, then yes, it is denying them the same right. Don’t play games with me, we’re not the idiots you seem to think we are.

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            the_q@lemmy.zip
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            #56

            Buddy, you're a bigger idiot than I think you are.

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              seathru
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              #57

              Knowing what games are compatible and to what degree before purchasing them would make me happier.

              That's what https://www.protondb.com/ is good for.

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              • T the_q@lemmy.zip

                So artists, wanting to use what you describe as the best tool for the job, should just use AI? How even is AI the best tool? This is an inane and pointless argument with a drug addict defending heroin.

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                bootloop@sh.itjust.works
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                #58

                I never said anything about artists. I don't think AI has much use in artistic endeavors. I'm talking about a software development job.

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                • T the_q@lemmy.zip

                  Buddy, you're a bigger idiot than I think you are.

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                  Luminous5481 [they/them]
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                  And as soon as your hypocrisy is called out, you resort to name-calling. Belligerence isn't an argument, even if you fail to think of one in its place.

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                  • X XLE

                    "We"

                    Is Sam Altman in the room with you right now?

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                    Luminous5481 [they/them]
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                    You should really try again, I think.

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                    • T tomalley8342@lemmy.world

                      Job Requirements:

                      Active use of AI tools in daily development workflows, and enthusiasm for helping the team increase adoption

                      Nice to have:

                      Passion for games and game preservation

                      AI Mandatory, game preservation optional. Glad they got their priorities straight šŸ˜…

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                      tempest@lemmy.ca
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                      Honestly if part of their job is at all trying to get old shit to run on new operating systems AI is very useful for that task.

                      Part of my job is keeping a 30 year old c++ application compiling and building on newer versions of Linux. LLMs have made this a far easier experience.

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                      • Luminous5481 [they/them]L Luminous5481 [they/them]

                        And as soon as your hypocrisy is called out, you resort to name-calling. Belligerence isn't an argument, even if you fail to think of one in its place.

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                        the_q@lemmy.zip
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                        What hypocrisy? You ARE an idiot.

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                        • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                          It's not doomposting, it's realistic. LLMs will provide true aids to developers, and already do. They excel at formal languages, that's what they are designed for. I'm not talking about vibe coding, I'm talking formatters, style guides, linters, boilerplates, translation, configuration etc.

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                          4am@lemmy.zip
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                          formatters, style guides, linters, boilerplates, translation, configuration etc.

                          None of that is ā€œAIā€ dumbass. Stop watering down the terminology.

                          LLMs run from cloud data canters are the thing that everyone is against, and that is what the term ā€œAIā€ means. No one thinks IntelliSense is AI; no one thinks adding jslint to your CI pipeline is AI.

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                          • B bootloop@sh.itjust.works

                            I never said anything about artists. I don't think AI has much use in artistic endeavors. I'm talking about a software development job.

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                            the_q@lemmy.zip
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                            If it's the best tool then why is there so much push back from developers? Are they wrong and for some reason people like you are right? Is it not causing layoffs in that sector?

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                            • T the_q@lemmy.zip

                              What hypocrisy? You ARE an idiot.

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                              Luminous5481 [they/them]
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                              And you're incapable of formulating a good argument, and so you resort to whatever this is an attempt of, in order to have the last word and escape the embarrassment of knowing you can't articulate your own thoughts.

                              Don't feel bad though. You're doing your best, and that's all that matters.

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                              • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldA ampersandrew@lemmy.world

                                Both of those things put a lot of people out of work, but our economy adapted, and there was nothing to be gained by shaming the people embracing the technology that was clearly going to take over. I'm not convinced AI tools are that, but if they are, then nothing can stop it, and you're shaming a bunch of people who have literally no choice.

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                                4am@lemmy.zip
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                                Those things didn’t destroy communities, pollute the earth, wrestle personal computing away from the populace, use up all the drinking water in an area, and provide a near total and realtime panopticon of everyone, everywhere, at all times, while stealing all the collected works of said society in order to be built without penalty at a time when ordinary folks are ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars because they posted a social media video of their kid dancing to a song that was playing on broadcast radio.

                                But sure keep boiling in that pot because you don’t need to do all the boilerplate for your fucking Node project or whatever. Fucking frog.

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                                • 4 4am@lemmy.zip

                                  formatters, style guides, linters, boilerplates, translation, configuration etc.

                                  None of that is ā€œAIā€ dumbass. Stop watering down the terminology.

                                  LLMs run from cloud data canters are the thing that everyone is against, and that is what the term ā€œAIā€ means. No one thinks IntelliSense is AI; no one thinks adding jslint to your CI pipeline is AI.

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                                  dukemirage@lemmy.world
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                                  I wasn’t talking about existing tools.

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                                  • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                                    Whatā€˜s the good company in this context?

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                                    XLE
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                                    Don't act so stupid, dude. You know what post you're in, or at least I hope you do.

                                    If you want to claim that AI can magically do something that not even AI companies themselves can prove, then prove it. Ed Zitron has been begging AI evangelists like you to prove it for at least a year now. Otherwise, I call bullshit on your evangelism.

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                                      stephen01king
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                                      Neither does a locally run LLM model.

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                                      • T the_q@lemmy.zip

                                        If it's the best tool then why is there so much push back from developers? Are they wrong and for some reason people like you are right? Is it not causing layoffs in that sector?

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                                        bootloop@sh.itjust.works
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                                        There's no push back from the developers at my company or the developers that I interact with. We have been embracing it for the use cases that AI is good at. There is lots of manual effort that us software developers don't like doing that AI automates easily. I believe the mass layoffs that companies are doing are using AI as a convenient excuse in uncertain economic conditions.

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                                          bootloop@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Oof. I may never recover from this one.

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