we need more users
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I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an endless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.
Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and big tech privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!
It’s so exhausting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.
And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part I understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.
Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speak to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
I really like that you get to see both downvotes and upvotes, but maybe that reinforces your experience of being downvoted often?
I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
Yeah this is a general problem, even if you’d just want the ”doom and gloom” – no matter what thing you want to sort out or get more of - you’re left with a ghost town. It’s everything or nothing and the things generating the most discussion are for sure the catastrophic stuff happening.
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I would do it myself but I can’t get an AI to code apps
Ask the app devs. They know how to easily set a default. There can still be an option to change the account and server deep down in a menu.
Their win is that if that modified app becomes popular it essentially still is their app and they will attract new developers and support.
I'll make a post on c/ fediverse and open source to generate ideas of how to do this this
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Piefed isn't an instance, it's an alternative software that reads Lemmy.
Piefed.social is the flagship instance, comparable to lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.zip made their own Piefed.
...then how does this fix anything? Same federation, same downward trend of losing users?
You're right, on piefed, the loss of users looks prettier.
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the difference between graffiti and stickers is that typically, you can remove stickers quite easily, while graffiti is a more difficult-to-remove thing. so there's not much damage done.
I mean, that's still acknowledging that damage is being done, just less than actual graffiti. I'd rather not associate the fediverse with defacing public spaces with half-scraped off stickers.
Again, feel like a t-shirt or a cap is a much better option.
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me too i noticed, the problem was when lemmy.ee went down and all the users scattered to other instances, or the piefed but would not engage any post on lemmy. i saw massive reduction in posts like movies, entertainment tv shows,,etc. also the tankies i blocked, or the problematic accounts are likely posting themselves. i dont even come on during daytime, only a 1-3 hrs before sleep at night, because i know there will be less content overall, its probably healthier for people anyways. people are still addicted to reddit unfortunately.
Have you checked !movies@piefed.social and !television@piefed.social
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If you've ever actually discoursed with Cowbee, note how they ignore the large majority of what you say and hyper-focus exclusively on the talking points that they are trying to convey. It's not a "conversation", it is evangelism.
It’s not a “conversation”, it is evangelism.
A bit ironic from the piefed evangelist.
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So you can see the loss of users there too?
It's the same federation, how is this a solution?
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I mean, that's still acknowledging that damage is being done, just less than actual graffiti. I'd rather not associate the fediverse with defacing public spaces with half-scraped off stickers.
Again, feel like a t-shirt or a cap is a much better option.
ehh, there's spaces where adding stickers (that advocate for public-benefit, non-commercial stuff) is considered socially acceptable, such as in certain university buildings, pubs/bars, the back of your own laptop, ...
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PieFed offers a number of options to aid in discoverability - like Topics, Feeds (user-customizable and shareable), and combining together all replies from all cross-posts (at which point you can be like "oh hey, I didn't know that community also existed?! Subscribed!!").
Sorry for being salty, but I've given up on Lemmy ever catching up to have even remotely close to as many features as PieFed.
Anyway you are definitely correct, community discovery has huge flaws when using Lemmy (and it's about to get worse, where lemmy.ml gets veto power in showing communities to newly-created instances - it is easy enough to get around that by simply adding them manually, but that will increase the authoritarian control factor even more than it is now, further strengthening the ties between the Lemmy sourcecode and the Lemmy.ml instance, where already maintenance of the latter siphons off a great deal of funding away from efforts to develop the codebase further).
Same federation, same posts, same users. Different software doesn't mean anything else changes.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Goes to 'All --> New,' here we go again...
Come on everyone, let's do our part. The only way to get less doom and gloom on the main page is to engage with the stuff you want early. Like it was mentioned by others, that primarily means comments not just upvotes
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I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an endless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.
Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and big tech privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!
It’s so exhausting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.
And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part I understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.
Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speak to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
Join !cool_rocks@lemmy.today if you're sick of doom.
It's just cool rocks and discussions about rocks. -
I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I'm doing my part. I can't stop making communities and having debates.
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Would it almost be better to prune old communities? I agree it's off-putting to find community for an interest and seeing last activity like a year ago, doesn't make you want to post since it seems inactive.
One thing about how reddit/lemmy works though is people subscribed (assumedly still active on Lemmy elsewhere) might still see that content vs a forum where no activity means very few visit the site.
I kind of don't like the idea of deleting posts.
Maybe we should put a pinned post at the top of each dead community that just says "go here instead"
Like if there's a dead community for a game, there could be a pinned post that directs you to a more general community like for the genre
Like we could do !TheWalkingDeadGame@retrolemmy.com directing to !adventuregames@retrolemmy.com
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Active is basically like old forum logic, where new comments will bump it up back to the top. Scaled is my go to view first as it does a pretty good job balancing out communities of widely different sizes, so smaller communities that you're subbed to have a chance of having their post be seen if it's new and larger in upvoter count.
Scaled is great for Subscribed, but I don't like Scaled+All
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I don't think he controls join.lemmy.org. Unless I am completely wrong.
I checked the contact section and it uses the .ml support account so maybe he does
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Tell your musician friends to find me here:
https://lemmy.world/c/IndepthIndie
Actually, you know what? I'll give a free guitar lesson to the first 10 people to make a post in that group.
Aww man i would really like that guitar lessons! But i don't have enough knowledge/context to post in that community (yet)
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Can someone vibecode a self hosted tool that reposts reddit top rated content to Lemmy?
Like people that are interested could just run that self hosted service for subreddit they are interested in and it would post automatically into lemmy communities .i do repost manually sometimes but it's not enough. we need lively discussion more importantly that posts, i'd say.
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After trying to convert a friend who heavily uses reddit, multiple times, I recommended him again the other day to leave the hellsite (reddit).
I didn't recommend Lemmy but have a while back.
He himself specifically brought up that he 'didn't vibe with Lemmy as much as reddit' and that he believes he would 'miss stories he would otherwise have liked to see' by switching to Lemmy.
Reddit has kept him more up to date than not over the past year - he believes had he not been using reddit he wouldn't have found out about [specific events in iran] as early as he did.
The other main pain point I've encountered is the small and niche community problem, which I'm sure we are all aware of - certain information feels like it can only be found on such small subreddits.
Therefore I have two suggestions:
- create a Lemmy instance that mirrors reddit, rather than have bots post reddit posts onto main Lemmy instances, create an instance that mirrors specific subreddits on request, including the comments of their posts, and allows Lemmy users to comment and reply back, where those comments are also propagated to reddit so that replies and discussion are mirrored also.
This would struggle due to reddit API and compute power requirements but the subreddits on request and a specific instance for these posts would eliminate the bot spam problem from earlier attempts at the same thing.
- potentially allow the user to associate their reddit account with the instance so comments etc can proliferate without bot recognition.
The other suggestion would be:
- set up trackers for major (and newly popular) subreddits, tag posts by priority, and use this set of posts to determine what content and types of content are missing, but don't just automatically post everything as the spam problem gets out of hand.
Finally, my biggest gripe with my Lemmy use is the constant instance wars.
I have had my comments removed for being rightfully critical of Israel by lemmy.world mods. They appear intent on recreating the problems of reddit here.
They're websites, one can use two websites. Such a weird take.
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I checked the contact section and it uses the .ml support account so maybe he does
That just might be where they set up for support questions.
That would mean that lemmy.ml chose to remove lemmy.world from there, which I would think would upset lemmy.world mods.
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I think you would be surprised. Obviously UK (if you include it here) would do some heavy lifting for English-language users in Europe using Reddit, a massive chunk of Europe can communicate perfectly well in English on social media platforms and do - and you wouldn't know they aren't American or Anglo unless a topic came up where they would say it, or if you asked them.
To the best of my recollection the last I've seen bits of traffic data here and there, it's large, but not large in comparison to the US and India.
