we need more users
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I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an endless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.
Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and big tech privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!
It’s so exhausting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.
And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part I understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.
Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speak to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
Indeed, I believe that the Fediverse is a paradise island where one can escape the noise created mainly by AI bots on centralised, proprietary social networks, but many users get a dopamine rush from eliciting an emotional response on the network, and that rush is provided by Reddit's algorithms.
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There's also this very good Lemmy sign-up page: https://join-lemmy.org/
If you click on "Join a Server", it brings you to this dialogue:
Where you can choose Topic and Language which i think is the best way to do it.
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Reddit would probably sooner just lop off their entire EU userbase than comply.
No offense to Europeans because I love y'all, but you are a drop in the bucket for global (English) internet usage.
I think you would be surprised. Obviously UK (if you include it here) would do some heavy lifting for English-language users in Europe using Reddit, a massive chunk of Europe can communicate perfectly well in English on social media platforms and do - and you wouldn't know they aren't American or Anglo unless a topic came up where they would say it, or if you asked them.
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@dessalines@lemmy.ml for the love of god please fix the onboarding
Also go full Elon Mulk and artificially boost lemmy.sdf content they have a lot of good OC
I don't think he controls join.lemmy.org. Unless I am completely wrong.
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Isn't this not much better than graffiti? I think advocating for the fediverse is great, but let's not plaster unnecessary and potentially illegal posters/advertisements everywhere.
If you want to display an appreciation for the fediverse, perhaps there are T-shirts with the fediverse logo?
the difference between graffiti and stickers is that typically, you can remove stickers quite easily, while graffiti is a more difficult-to-remove thing. so there's not much damage done.
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I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an endless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.
Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and big tech privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!
It’s so exhausting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.
And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part I understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.
Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speak to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
I really like that you get to see both downvotes and upvotes, but maybe that reinforces your experience of being downvoted often?
I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
Yeah this is a general problem, even if you’d just want the ”doom and gloom” – no matter what thing you want to sort out or get more of - you’re left with a ghost town. It’s everything or nothing and the things generating the most discussion are for sure the catastrophic stuff happening.
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I would do it myself but I can’t get an AI to code apps
Ask the app devs. They know how to easily set a default. There can still be an option to change the account and server deep down in a menu.
Their win is that if that modified app becomes popular it essentially still is their app and they will attract new developers and support.
I'll make a post on c/ fediverse and open source to generate ideas of how to do this this
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Piefed isn't an instance, it's an alternative software that reads Lemmy.
Piefed.social is the flagship instance, comparable to lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.zip made their own Piefed.
...then how does this fix anything? Same federation, same downward trend of losing users?
You're right, on piefed, the loss of users looks prettier.
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the difference between graffiti and stickers is that typically, you can remove stickers quite easily, while graffiti is a more difficult-to-remove thing. so there's not much damage done.
I mean, that's still acknowledging that damage is being done, just less than actual graffiti. I'd rather not associate the fediverse with defacing public spaces with half-scraped off stickers.
Again, feel like a t-shirt or a cap is a much better option.
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me too i noticed, the problem was when lemmy.ee went down and all the users scattered to other instances, or the piefed but would not engage any post on lemmy. i saw massive reduction in posts like movies, entertainment tv shows,,etc. also the tankies i blocked, or the problematic accounts are likely posting themselves. i dont even come on during daytime, only a 1-3 hrs before sleep at night, because i know there will be less content overall, its probably healthier for people anyways. people are still addicted to reddit unfortunately.
Have you checked !movies@piefed.social and !television@piefed.social
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If you've ever actually discoursed with Cowbee, note how they ignore the large majority of what you say and hyper-focus exclusively on the talking points that they are trying to convey. It's not a "conversation", it is evangelism.
It’s not a “conversation”, it is evangelism.
A bit ironic from the piefed evangelist.
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So you can see the loss of users there too?
It's the same federation, how is this a solution?
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I mean, that's still acknowledging that damage is being done, just less than actual graffiti. I'd rather not associate the fediverse with defacing public spaces with half-scraped off stickers.
Again, feel like a t-shirt or a cap is a much better option.
ehh, there's spaces where adding stickers (that advocate for public-benefit, non-commercial stuff) is considered socially acceptable, such as in certain university buildings, pubs/bars, the back of your own laptop, ...
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PieFed offers a number of options to aid in discoverability - like Topics, Feeds (user-customizable and shareable), and combining together all replies from all cross-posts (at which point you can be like "oh hey, I didn't know that community also existed?! Subscribed!!").
Sorry for being salty, but I've given up on Lemmy ever catching up to have even remotely close to as many features as PieFed.
Anyway you are definitely correct, community discovery has huge flaws when using Lemmy (and it's about to get worse, where lemmy.ml gets veto power in showing communities to newly-created instances - it is easy enough to get around that by simply adding them manually, but that will increase the authoritarian control factor even more than it is now, further strengthening the ties between the Lemmy sourcecode and the Lemmy.ml instance, where already maintenance of the latter siphons off a great deal of funding away from efforts to develop the codebase further).
Same federation, same posts, same users. Different software doesn't mean anything else changes.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Goes to 'All --> New,' here we go again...
Come on everyone, let's do our part. The only way to get less doom and gloom on the main page is to engage with the stuff you want early. Like it was mentioned by others, that primarily means comments not just upvotes
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I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an endless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.
Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and big tech privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!
It’s so exhausting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.
And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part I understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.
Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speak to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
Join !cool_rocks@lemmy.today if you're sick of doom.
It's just cool rocks and discussions about rocks. -
I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I'm doing my part. I can't stop making communities and having debates.
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Would it almost be better to prune old communities? I agree it's off-putting to find community for an interest and seeing last activity like a year ago, doesn't make you want to post since it seems inactive.
One thing about how reddit/lemmy works though is people subscribed (assumedly still active on Lemmy elsewhere) might still see that content vs a forum where no activity means very few visit the site.
I kind of don't like the idea of deleting posts.
Maybe we should put a pinned post at the top of each dead community that just says "go here instead"
Like if there's a dead community for a game, there could be a pinned post that directs you to a more general community like for the genre
Like we could do !TheWalkingDeadGame@retrolemmy.com directing to !adventuregames@retrolemmy.com
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Active is basically like old forum logic, where new comments will bump it up back to the top. Scaled is my go to view first as it does a pretty good job balancing out communities of widely different sizes, so smaller communities that you're subbed to have a chance of having their post be seen if it's new and larger in upvoter count.
Scaled is great for Subscribed, but I don't like Scaled+All
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I don't think he controls join.lemmy.org. Unless I am completely wrong.
I checked the contact section and it uses the .ml support account so maybe he does
