1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay
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I've tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn't have that bad rep, so I've found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don't look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before
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Hello and thank you for making the post! I just joined from reddit and have some questions. I really want to avoid some of the tankies I heard about it on the redditalternative posts.
One of the lemmy servers recommended had this admin and he made this comment recently about piefed
I feel like [PieFed] moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you're literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don't want that, so I won't.
So is PieFed the tankie software or what? I dont' really want to use software that is going to build a social credit score on me or build barriers to actually use the site
By "social credit" system, they're referring to the fact that Piefed has a reputation and attitude system. "Reputation" is a bit like reddit - a downvote contributes negatively to it, an upvote positively. Accounts heavily downvoted will have negative warning signs on them (although the CCS here can be disabled by instance moderators who dislike it) so users can't see it. And users looking at a profile on piefed can only see accounts negatively downvoted, not accounts with high reputation - so it's not "karma" in the sense of Reddit.
"Attitude" refers to downvotes given. If you mass downvote, you'll get a very bad attitude and this is measured in percentage form for users. If you bulk downvote, and get a very low attitude - you'll be blocked from downvoting.
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Hello and thank you for making the post! I just joined from reddit and have some questions. I really want to avoid some of the tankies I heard about it on the redditalternative posts.
One of the lemmy servers recommended had this admin and he made this comment recently about piefed
I feel like [PieFed] moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you're literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don't want that, so I won't.
So is PieFed the tankie software or what? I dont' really want to use software that is going to build a social credit score on me or build barriers to actually use the site
Note, I've now seen you make this comment four times now on a brand new account - so my response here is meant in good faith.
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PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.
And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there's an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.
Because I'm sure "they'll" come and rage here once they see this post I'll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they've got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.
All the people upvote you, it's only "them" who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!
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The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is "disabled by default" people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don't like it's fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don't like yourself
it's Python. It's foss.
I've removed code I didn't want in mine. (A feature I later re enabled).
If I want to add code, I do so. Or I remove code.
Microsoft is closed, and they are leveraging tons of cash to manipulate. Try turning off updates on a windows 11 machine... Is it just a toggle? What if Microsoft removes the option or requires.. oh wait closed source and they already did.
All piefed has been doing is giving options.
Blame admins if you like but be honest about your intentions instead of this campism.
Masto and other fedi services give options of blanket blocks or filters, so arguing entire concept of fedi is nonsense.
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wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a "social credit score" that sounds like what a tankie would put in
You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
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UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don't look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before
I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.
The vast majority of users just won't go through that effort. PieFed's default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which is why I promote it instead
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How can I pick which piefed server doesn't have the social credit score enabled?
I recommend MULTIVERSE, the anarcho-antirealist PieFed server. We have a karma system the same as Reddit, which you're used to, and we don't do any extra processing of the score. Some PieFed sites ignore karma earned on meme communities to prevent repost farming, but on MULTIVERSE, we just look at upvotes - downvotes, and unlike Reddit, your karma score means absolutely nothing for your ability to post on communities.
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Ew gross, fuck tankies. I'm really confused so both lemmy and piefed are tankie-adjacent?
No, only Lemmy.
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All the people upvote you, it's only "them" who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!
I said nothing about votes.
I'm talking about the comm where they brigaded from the last thread this image was post and spammed it with misinformation.
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You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It's easy to mix those two guys up
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I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It's easy to mix those two guys up
Excuse me that's transphobic and covid denying.
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piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don't like right into the application
I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?
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I've tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn't have that bad rep, so I've found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it's a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.
As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy's devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how
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I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it's a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.
As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy's devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how
thethey approach discussing them.Lemmy doesn't truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that
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Excuse me that's transphobic and covid denying.
Oh boy oh boy, I think I'm about to receive a fun link with more Nutomic bad takes
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Note, I've now seen you make this comment four times now on a brand new account - so my response here is meant in good faith.
No they're a 100% real user who despite only joining 35 minutes ago knows all about a 2 day old post.
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Lemmy doesn't truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that
Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I've never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block
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I don't think there's a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I'm kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it's just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don't turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won't be any hidden filters.
If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post "bad content" in their eyes
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What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?
They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.
