Would it be realistic to try to set up an america-free instance?
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Nothing wrong with the yanks
I appreciate you trying to be nice but there's so so so so so much wrong with us
I mean by default. the point is your country is fucked up, but there's nothing inherently wrong with one just because they're from the states
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.world is Dutch
Really? Wow... I assumes was USA LoL
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When was the last time that people who banned others based on country of origin were the good guys?
Unfortunately, the US is taking advantage of this axiom. Their unfettered drive of "influential" content amounts to, essentially, an undeclared cultural invasion.
Sadly, just one lemmy instance doing this won't change much. The US has been invested in destroying my country since the 1970's.
I can't say that Russia or China are any better, before anyone asks.
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.world is Dutch
GEKOLONISEERD
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Even if you think you're getting away from USA politics and economics, it is still influencing other politics and economics, and I don't see how discussions can entirely avoid the elephant in the room.
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I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
I get it, the US fucking sucks. But I didn't choose to be from here and I'm doing my best with what I've got. The fediverse has been one of the only somewhat sane spaces I can get away from the nonstop propaganda machine.
Block the American communities all you want, but many of us are here to escape the bullshit, not spread it. Sorry our discussion of our politics in communities dedicated to our politics bothers you I guess? You don't really seem to me to understand the point of the fediverse
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Yeah I'm from the US and while I would respect the community's wishes not to hear from me, I would 1000% listen through a VPN so I can learn and signal-boost your non-AmeriKKKan perspectives
I dunno. I think there’s a prevailing attitude that you should only use moderation tools as punishment for bad behavior, but it’s also fine to use them as a curation tool. But you have to understand that it cuts both ways — if you block someone, you can’t influence their opinions anymore because they will never hear from you either.
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Look into the origin of the term "soccer." I was curious, so I did. Long story short, it comes from "association football." I call American football "gridiron football" because, quite ironically, it IS a form of football.
It's like saying we can't call refried beans beans because they're not like black beans (I was just thinking about Mexican food, sorry!). Gridiron football may not be your cup of tea, but it IS football. Association football just deserves the term more. Also, in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, if you just say football, people assume gridiron (and specifically NFL).
I kinda hate that it's like that, I wish things were more accurately described, but at least we can control how our words are received by knowing what people expect from certain words.
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I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
In theory it's a fine idea; in practice it just sounds messy.
Better to just follow region-specific communities like Europe (not sure if it's on .world or .ml). I think you can post there if you're American, but you shouldn't expect that most people there are, or that they will care about American stuff, and I wouldn't make a thread about American stuff, and a moderator would be well within rights to delete it. But the Internet is global and for everyone.
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I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
During federation the IP address and country of the accounts involved is not shared with other instances so although you could lock down your instance as soon as you federate you'd have people from all over sending you content.
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I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
I mean, you can make whatever you want. And I get it, to quote The Clash, I'm pretty bored of the USA too.
Of course, an IP block isn't going to work because an American like myself can just use a VPN in another country to get around it. And yes, the moment you start federating with other instances you're going to come across American stuff again, so unless you isolate your instance (which you could do... but then people are unlikely to join it) you're gonna have to deal with Americans.
With that said, I actually think it's a great idea for people to make regional fediverse servers, not necessarily to block out Americans in an attempt at digital nationalism/isolationalism... But to make sure that the infrastructure of the internet is not so America-centric, and to make it so that there is always a place to talk about local issues and events that matter to you, in your native language.
Even as an American, I feel that right now the internet is far too reliant on American infrastructure, services and communities.
I'd love to see, for example, Japanese lemmy server, an Italian mastodon server, a German peertube server, a Brazilian pixelfed server, a Canadian misskey server, and so on.
I just think that banning Americans and American topics is probably not an effective way to do it, particularly because there are lessons to be learned for us all about what is going on here right now.
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I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
Am American, my advice? Just use communities/instances that don't use English as their primary language. If you want to be extra safe avoid Spanish too.
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Unfortunately, the US is taking advantage of this axiom. Their unfettered drive of "influential" content amounts to, essentially, an undeclared cultural invasion.
Sadly, just one lemmy instance doing this won't change much. The US has been invested in destroying my country since the 1970's.
I can't say that Russia or China are any better, before anyone asks.
I can't say that Russia or China are any better, before anyone asks.
As a native born citizen of the US, I just wanted to say I feel bad that you feel the need to iterate this. I know a lot of asshats always make people who criticize the US clarify this, and I can only imagine it gets super annoying even having to do that the first time.
Your criticism of the US doesn't preclude you to defend or criticize other nation-states, those are separate criticisms unless the topic is international relations, which it's not in this case.
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So do Americans. Hence why ‘politics’ and ‘news’ on .world by default are American politics and news.
Even the community intended for non-American world news is in practice flooded with American news anyway.
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Sorry to be pedantic here, but
Xenophobia is a specific form of bigotry that targets people based on national origin or perceived foreignness (e.g., “foreigners,” “Germans,” “Americans”).
And
Bigotry is the umbrella term for prejudice or intolerance toward a group (race, religion, nationality, etc.).
OP Saying “no people from the USA allowed” is therefore xenophobic specifically, and bigoted in the general sense.
Ergo, it is more xenophobia than it is bigotry.
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You can block amerigocentric instances and users (like me!) if you want, but people will still use vpns to say “soccer” on your America-free instances and I don’t think there’s anything to be done to prevent that.
Yeah, fediverse with it having less uptake among mainstream users likely means those here are going to have more tech literacy, so VPN use is going to be higher than usual.
It'll be a trivial bypass with how much this space already leans towards Linux and is more privacy aware and more likely to try to cut down on big tech than usual users.
To achieve being free of US content methods needed would be incredibly strict moderation (shadowbans and mod approval for posts), news censorship due to possibility of international incidents involving US, defederating from popular instances, and most effective would be no english allowed.
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Thought so too after they banned the piracy sub.
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I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
You could try but I feel its needlessly complex and antagonistic. Like get the politics are horrible but we dont actually hate american people right? IMO you can get close enough to your goal by filtering American politics out, blocking news/politics communities and then setting up a non america news and non american politics community and boom you've pretty much got an "america free instance"
Once shared blocklists get added I feel this will be easier to setup and distribute.
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You might be happy to learn about Misskey, which has a Japanese instance (it's flagship) in misskey.io and an Italian instance in misskey.social.
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It's not just that in my experience, it's everyone assume you're american by default because they're american themselves, so they always talk in the context of being american in basically every topic. The politic and the topic doesn't bother me much, it's the american. I'm sorry this sounds so discriminatory but it's the one thing that really bother me since reddit.
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