we need more users
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Can I ask a different, more difficult question?
Where are people going?
Lemmy Isn't Quite It? Mastodon is too formal. Blusky is too political.
Lemmy was a clone of Reddit. Not an improvement on it.
Back to reddit I imagine.
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Same. It greatly did not help that Google searching for "Lemmy" used to go straight to lemmy.ml (as the first hit to a specific instance, after the stuff about the singer), which if you take a look at without an account you will see shows "Local" rather than "All" posts.
Just imagine: you sent a Westerner to a place that routinely and literally calls for the actual murder and downfall of all of Western society, with such posts peaking just before any election in a Western nation. YOU might block those types of posts, but I am explaining what the people that you mentioned Lemmy to almost surely saw? (although immediately after the USA election I started noticing a shift away from it being more confined to just the triad and instead spread more throughout the entire Threadiverse - MANY people now routinely call for the guillotine, with ever-decreasing ratio of joking to serious, and remember that can be shocking to mainstream people?)
Yeah.
Although I usually tend to send a link directly to the post (which is relevant to what is being discussed), the things around that might change their impression. And considering that their is more political stuff than plain tech stuff, almost everywhere on the internet rn, that kind of a result is expected. -
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with what I want.
It only has to do with the math of how large networked systems function.
Right now the fediverse is unstable and unsustainable. balkanization is a huge contributing factor.
It's not a preference thing. If you want the fediverse to survive we all need it to be bigger and balkanization prohibits that
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Like in the 1990s?
Hell yeah.
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Wow that could be huge for us! I subscribed to that issue, eagerly awaiting the day that's enabled
Well, having an illustrated web page where it is simply explained how mastodon users can use lemmy as the equivalent of facebook groups would also give us pretty good exposure. Most mastodon users don't know the difference between mastodon and the fediverse.
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HARD disagree.
Like I agree that I don’t want tankies content or their spam, but realistically the “tankie"-verse versus the rest-of-us-verse has crippled the projects growth.
First, it's the actual reason cited by many people, over in r/RedditAlternatives, as the reason that they left. They did not inquire as what place they might go to that has more tankies - they wanted exclusively fewer.
Second, lemm.ee tried to federate with everyone, and look how that turned out? Literally nobody word-wide was willing to step up and put up with all the crap slung at them on a literally daily basis, so the entire instance was shuttered. Hexbear likewise almost died off, as they pissed off their admins and then one forgot to keep the domain license renewed, plus remember that time that one of their admins was caught literally lying to other instance admins? There is zero possibility of calling that instance one that "engages in good faith".
Third, the developers of Lemmy for years lied to us and told us that the ability to block all the users on an instance would be coming - but then when they delivered it, we found out that users blocked in that manner could still read, vote on, and respond to you, even send you a DM, and then a subsequent release of Lemmy weakened those walls even further by adding the ability for blocked users to trigger notifications to your account. Why should incels collectively have more "rights" than the people who do not want to have to put up with them? You can say that I am a bad person on the internet because I do not enjoy walking into a Nazi bar... and you can say that about all of the other people that took one look at Lemmy and noped right back out to Reddit, but whatever you call us, your rights end where ours begin. And you cannot force those people who left here to come back, and offer us content. That's just not how people work.
Fourth, tankies are calling for the literal murder of people in and the actual downfall of Western civilization. I feel like it is perfectly understandable then that people who live in Western civilization might not feel entirely at home and welcomed here?
Many of us only came to the Threadiverse because of Kbin, not Lemmy. And now many of us remain only because of PieFed, not Lemmy. Tankies are causing people to shy away from Lemmy, not the anti-tankies who want to expand it to make even more people feel welcomed, by e.g. making dealing with them be opt-in rather than something that takes thousands and thousands and thousands of clicks as you have to block people one by singular one. Your rights to freedom of speech and by extension to let them have the same should not allowed to trump my own rights to not have to listen, unless I explicitly want to. They are free to speak, but why should an instance be forced to platform them and spread their message further, without the ability to withdraw consent? Defederation should only ever be used as a last resort... and against echo chamber instances not operating in good faith, it's a great tool to carve out safe spaces on the Threadiverse where people can not have to listen to their disingenuous edge-lord crap. Thank you for listening - I hope I have offered something interesting to think about - and have a good day.
The math that underpins large networked systems isn't something you can disagree with. Smaller in those kinds of systems are always less sustainable. Instance level moderation choices like defederation have directly contributed to the balkanization (you can agree or disagree with if it's a good thing to do so; the preference make no difference) of the Lemmy chunk of the fediverse.
Smaller, less networked systems are more unstable and less sustainable. Period.
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Well, good news - I'm brand new and decided I'm not resubbing to Relay so I'm effectively off Reddit since the official mobile app is garbage.
Gods I fucking hate that app (and the way Reddit's mobile site tries to shove it down your throat). Welcome!
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I've been using Lemmy less because it's so depressing. It feels like a majority of the engagement is with depressing US politics and a strong left bias (to be clear, I also hate the current government). Unlike most, I really like most of the nerdy tech content.
Which is why I've been lurking more on Hacker News lately, it's tech minded forums with an appropriate level of politics and more nuanced takes. And as a bonus the interface even less bloated (in terms of resource usage) than any Lemmy frontend I've tried.
i use it less, because theres been less content, ever since ee shut down, the users just scattered too much to agregate more posts, this is not including politics.
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Can I ask a different, more difficult question?
Where are people going?
Lemmy Isn't Quite It? Mastodon is too formal. Blusky is too political.
Lemmy was a clone of Reddit. Not an improvement on it.
most likely going back to reddit, its where all the drama, politics are.
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This. This is the main complaining I see over the Fediverse when I try to suggest it to people. They enter Lemmy to give it a check and go "It's all politics?"
did you mention that reddit is all politics as well. reddit is intentionally forcing politics to front page, and anypolitics adjacent topics. almost all sports, celebrity talk eventually leads to politics.
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I've lost track of how many subs I've been banned from cause I pissed off a friend of a mod.
oh i was regularly switching to a new account thats been warmed, up after multiple sub bans. up until reddit caught up, and just banned everyone with accts associated with other accts that were sub banned, but unbanned due to a time limit. and now reddit just straight up bans people for inactivity and new accts. mods love to misconstrue your comment,
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if I knew, I wouldn't ask tbh...
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Which wasn’t the case early on, from my experience. Instead, when Lemmy had its first big boom it was filled with people looking for a non-toxic, real conversation. I still find that to be the case in replies, but my front page tends to be filled with stories where commenters are dissimilar to Reddit, less intellectual responses and more edgy hyperbole.
Seriously though, the people responding to political posts with thinly veiled calls to harm or kill political leaders need to be banned on the spot. Absolutely intolerable.
i noticed alot of the political posts has subtle tankie infilitration in it, try to stir shit to cause drama, because thier own instances isnt getting traffic because its been defederate, they often hide the purpose of the post , under the guise "the other opinion"
reddit itself already bans this type of behaviour, and any vague suggestion of it, which is pretty problematic itself.
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For me I deleted my account a month ago after 2 years of lemmy. I forgot about this account and jerboa install, the only community sub is this one haha.
I figure I'll just say why I left, this place became a depressing shit hole.
The communities aren't niche enough because it's not big enough, so it's just a shit experience. I'm just going to look to old school forums again. Phpbb you must still be out there..
I figure I'll still keep this account in case I need to use it for something useful. One never knows when they'll get lost on the seas and need some directions.
when the other big instance shut down, it just got distilled to mostly politics, which /worlds only. i was enjoying the cinema/movies, tv show communities until it just mostly disappeared. some rare subs too.
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The culture wars have reached the fediverse, and it's making me less happy to be here. I don't want to hang out in places where people use slurs and insults, even if they're not aimed at me. I'm seeing more casual misogyny/misandry, more casual use of the r**** slur, more perfectionist gatekeeping, more assumptions, and just less good-faith comments in general.
I'd advertise, but I'm starting to look for an alternative to lemmy.
i smell bots, and tankie infiltration into the rest of limit, since the triad is defederate, thier members are trying to branch out into other communities.
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I think part of the issue is new users not understanding or feeling comfortable with the fediverse (myself included a while ago). Even after searching for a bit and looking it up I can barely get how it works, but there's really no guide with the common terms anywhere, how to get started, the difference between platforms and what they have in common etc.
The benefits are the first thing you hear about, but they seem more like jargon terms than actually anything functional.Reddit has better accessibility and user retainment, alongside with a library of old posts that are good for searching some niche stuff up.
For example, if I were to get a friend into lemmy, I'm not really sure how I can explain it to them, or where to start other than the copy paste "decentralized" "federated" stuff. It doesn't really answer stuff like who moderates it, develops it, owns it, or what's the difference between lemmy, piefed mbin, how do they interact with each other.
I believe that an introductory "oficial" post on the front of each platform in layman's terms would be great to get new users to stay.google also plays heavily into it, as they promote reddit searches in thier front page, this is usually what gets people hooked to reddit.
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It seems strange that these two curves so closely match eachother in shape.
When 6month active users drop that means 6 months ago a user stopped using the platform.
When monthly active users drop that means a month ago a user stopped using the platform.
So this would suggest that there is a correlation between user attrition 6 months ago and last month.it kinda correlates with what the "p47" have done controversial and it also correlates with/timing of reddits purges too.
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I guess ragebait really is what the people want. Its a bit sad but oh well.
thats how reddit works, up until p45, there was very little rage bait, after he was elected russia started pushing it heavily on reddit, and thats where we are now with reddit.
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I've been using Lemmy less because it's so depressing. It feels like a majority of the engagement is with depressing US politics and a strong left bias (to be clear, I also hate the current government). Unlike most, I really like most of the nerdy tech content.
Which is why I've been lurking more on Hacker News lately, it's tech minded forums with an appropriate level of politics and more nuanced takes. And as a bonus the interface even less bloated (in terms of resource usage) than any Lemmy frontend I've tried.
“Strong left bias” is not bias, it is just a reflection of normal human decency. If you mean that fake leftists like the dbzero fascists are around a lot, I would agree and it’s a problem.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I'm here, I just never comment :3
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