we need more users
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Reddit circa 2013.
However, I'd like to take note that the world itself was far different in 2013. We're asking for 2013 politic levels when the current world is obsessed with politics and some countries are within five years of a civil war, mine in particular.
Well that's not really something a platform can change, is it?
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Because reddit coddles nazis and lemmy doesn't.
Also niche communities exist on reddit that lemmy doesn't have the population to support.
Not true. I'm pro Trump, pro ICE and pretty transphobic/homophobic, all those stuff that you liberals consider nazism, but I get banned all the time.
Truth is that any opinion that may offend anyone is banned on reddit. Reddit is gone
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I think the reason is similar with Windows and Linux.
Linux is actually a superior operating system with real benefits.
Lemmy's only benefit is more freedom of speech, which is valuable, but lemmy's userbase is so much smaller that it's kinda meaningless
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Nope, just the landscape, but who's to say bored Lemmy users are going back to Reddit? They likely moved on, or settle for Mastodon, or like me, chats rather than forums.
Reddit hasn't exactly improved, trading "meh" for "eh".
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Total servers are way down and so are users. But how come the number of comments has increased?
I'm not sure how the comments are counted, but there may be an increase in comments in Lemmy communities made by accounts from other fediverse software like piefed and mastodon.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I love Lemmy, and would never ask for it to change. Call me crazy, but I have essentially zero problems with the content and comments posted (barring shit news sources). If I want to disengage from the misery of the world, I can read a book or play a game or make music or something. I suppose I've adapted over the years.
It is, in my opinion, unrealistic and unwarranted to expect the userbase to self-sensor, and it is ESPECIALLY unrealistic and against the ethos of the program to hand out bans for calls to action, as some users are suggesting in the comments here. Perhaps .world should launch a spinoff instance that can satisfy these criteria, I don't know. Passivity and complacency can be nice, but are altogether unproductive, in my mind. We need people to be frustrated, angry, and hungry.
Lemmy has also opened my eyes to the world of open source software, something I am tremendously thankful for.
I'm not satisfied with this comment, it feels sloppy, but I want to get my feelings out there!
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I love Lemmy, and would never ask for it to change. Call me crazy, but I have essentially zero problems with the content and comments posted (barring shit news sources). If I want to disengage from the misery of the world, I can read a book or play a game or make music or something. I suppose I've adapted over the years.
It is, in my opinion, unrealistic and unwarranted to expect the userbase to self-sensor, and it is ESPECIALLY unrealistic and against the ethos of the program to hand out bans for calls to action, as some users are suggesting in the comments here. Perhaps .world should launch a spinoff instance that can satisfy these criteria, I don't know. Passivity and complacency can be nice, but are altogether unproductive, in my mind. We need people to be frustrated, angry, and hungry.
Lemmy has also opened my eyes to the world of open source software, something I am tremendously thankful for.
I'm not satisfied with this comment, it feels sloppy, but I want to get my feelings out there!
o7
What do you think of a content filter setup when you register the account like this:
Effectively, when you click "no politics", it blocks the !News@lemmy.world, !politics@lemmy.world, !politicalmemes@lemmy.world, !pravda_news@news.abolish.capital communities and such.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.
Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.
We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.
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I think one huge missed opportunity is within sharing stuff from lemme...
Other sites will allow you to share media, often with a banner or link back to the original content or source.
For lemme I download the media and there's no branding or linkage that brings you back to the platform (at least not through the Boost app)Maybe you could share a screenshot that includes the address bar instead?
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It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.
Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.
We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.
That's why i run the !mars@discuss.tchncs.de community. It's a very niche interest topic but i found no other good-quality community discussing martian settlement so i made my own. And i figure if the quality is good enough, it might be enough to bring in other users from other platforms simply to have good discussions.
I have checked the mars subreddit on Reddit but it's full of idiots and people who are just generic naysayers or people who saw 1 youtube video and now think they're experts or sth.
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it's just a matter of time until the internet gets divided into spaces like US, EU, RU and China
I have thought the same thing but i don't think the distinctions will be so clear after all because even today, there's people from China connecting to western internet via VPN. i have some in a chat group i'm in btw.
So yeah, i think some proximity metric would help people to find stuff "near them" - either geographically or content-wise. Like, i'd actually like there to be an easy way to find communities and people near me geographically. It would probably help me make friends and find people that i can be in contact with IRL.
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We got tankies on here, though. Not much better.
What's a tankie and what makes them close to Nazis?
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I havent been looking for a replacement yet. Right now I'm happy without social media. Maybe even more happy than with it.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
We really don't though.
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They're websites, one can use two websites. Such a weird take.
Well yeah, it's not like I gave the entire context.
The conversation started about how Ghislaine Maxwell is back moderating on Reddit.
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Not mad, I just s spend my time elsewhere, as many do, hence the post that Lemmy is dying.
Admins are crying, continuosly begging for money.
Admins are crying, continuosly begging for money.
I've literally never seen anyone here ask for money for anything.
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The math that underpins large networked systems isn't something you can disagree with. Smaller in those kinds of systems are always less sustainable. Instance level moderation choices like defederation have directly contributed to the balkanization (you can agree or disagree with if it's a good thing to do so; the preference make no difference) of the Lemmy chunk of the fediverse.
Smaller, less networked systems are more unstable and less sustainable. Period.
Your argument is disingenuous. You appeal to "math", btw without demonstrating any proof of that math, but then you also used words like "destructive" and "crippled", which are not mathematical in the slightest! Your argument devolves into just-trust-me-bro and i-am-very-smart. Surely you have some crypto that you would like to sell me as well?
Yes defederation makes a network less fully connected, but I suggest you reexamine the principles of the federated model, which does not require a fully connected network to begin with, and in fact one of its chief strengths lies in how it can handle such disconnection points. The only way it "cripples" anything is when an edgelord teenager no longer has a captive audience "forced" to receive their spew - yes, their feewings do get hurt, but the rest of the network gets stronger for having cut them out. Like a cancer that must be sacrificed for the health of the rest of the body to live.
CONSENT MUST MATTER, or we have no freedoms at all. They have the right to speak, and I demand the right to not have to listen to it, if I do not want to.
The fact that their admins are operating in bad faith and cannot control the toxicity of their members is not my own fault, but my response is under my own control. Even, as we literally see happening, if that means leaving the Threadiverse entirely.
Also, don't miss the point where the Lemmy devs have left no other option besides full defederation, if you truly do not want to receive messages from people on that instance. In theory this could have been a different conversation if the "instance blocking" actually functioned as advertised, but instead it allows users from those instances to read, vote on, and reply to your content, and send you DMs, which even trigger notifications, the same as any unblocked user. That is no kind of "blocking" at all, so alrighty then, full defederation is the only option provided by the developers that will achieve the desired effect. (But this argument only affects the practicality of whatever solution is deployed, while I still think that consent should matter hence defederation should be allowed even on purely theoretical grounds. An instance admin should not be "forced" to receive messages that they do not want - CSAM being an absolutely perfect example of that.)
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Here's my Amateur Coder waving the Wand of Coding idea:
What if we had a FOSS browser extension that scraped Reddit passively, uploading everything you see as you browse (except PII like your username and PMs and such) via bot to Lemmy (on a delay so they can't pinpoint your identity as easily?)
I can't be the only one who splits their time between Lemmy and Reddit, and would much rather participate here than there, but there's much less to comment on here.
My favorite subreddit (/r/tampa) recently perma-banned me for extremely petty reasons, but /c/tampa is a ghost town.
That does sound like a decent idea, that way the content being mirrored would be only that that genuine users accessed.
Perhaps immediately mirroring the content as the browser itself reads it, preventing additional requests that could be flagged.
Only issues are:
- some people don't use reddit whatsover anymore
- many people only browse reddit on mobile
- a browser extension might require too much trust and involvement to generate much output considering the development involved.
Though this does answer some issues and have some clear use cases.
Cheers for the suggestion!
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Reddit would probably sooner just lop off their entire EU userbase than comply.
No offense to Europeans because I love y'all, but you are a drop in the bucket for global (English) internet usage.
Then let them, we need to stop bending the rules for US companies, we don't need them.
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This would struggle due to reddit API and compute power requirements
IIRC the EU released a law a few months ago that forces big internet communication platforms to open their API to third-party clients.
this applied to whatsapp i think, i'm not sure whether it also applies to reddit but it might be worth investigating if somebody has too much time on their hands
Well technically Reddits API is open to third party clients, it just became prohibitively expensive around the exodus...
Does the new ruling include provisions for where the API has been made functionally unusable? It definitely could, but I wouldn't be surprised if they missed that.
