we need more users
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It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.
Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.
We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.
The problem is that many specific communities are transitioning from reddit to discord. It would be cool to have some kind of matrix integration with Lemmy accounts/communities and vice versa.
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Linux is actually a superior operating system with real benefits.
Lemmy's only benefit is more freedom of speech, which is valuable, but lemmy's userbase is so much smaller that it's kinda meaningless
Personally, I like the smaller userbase. Higher levels of freedom speech are still valuable even if only 1000 people may see your post/comment, rather than having you blocked by incompetent AI filter with no way to fight back.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
One thing I've noticed with Lemmy is that it feels way more like a social bookmarking and commentary platform. I see fewer posts that are "original content" here than for example Reddit.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I don't know the motives of others, but I've been spending increasingly less time on the internet and more time listening to podcasts & reading.
Lemmy attracts only certain types of people who like reading articles and replying long paragraphs arguing with each other or small details. In a time when literacy is falling, means there's
only a smaller and smaller pie left. Maybe we need a book club or pen pal system or a noobie hub to make it a friendlier environment. There's a cloud of hostility in the air friends, don't let it take you. Ape strong together. -
Our numbers might be small just because we are humans who care about, well, human interaction lol. So it's not us to be unpopular, but big corpos to be overinflated by bots and shit
Thank you for your observation
️Growth for growth sake is one of the most toxic concepts in modern society.
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I came to this space in November of 2024.
As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.
So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.
I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.
So no more .db0
I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.
Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute
I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.
Bad app :c
ooh, SoftestSapphic, i remember seeing your memes
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What's a tankie and what makes them close to Nazis?
A tankie is a kind of person who likes Imperialism and expansionism so long as it comes from something related to, as the other user said, Marxist-Leninism.
The origin of Marxist-Leninism is Russia, so they support Russia invading things, and committing warcrimes, and make all sorts of excuses for such acts.
Today they're primarily in support of the Russian side in the Russo-Ukranian war, do not consider it an invasion of a sovereign nation, and consider it fully justified as an act to oppose "NATO expansion".
Essentially, to a tankie, nothing "goes too far" if they can somehow connect it to a Marxist-Leninist agenda, and behave the same way about Putin as a right-wing American behaves about Trump.
Nearly forgot; the name "tankie" comes from how Russia overwhelmingly uses tanks to invade territories.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Recommended this space for my friends after being a fan of the old reddit
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I came to this space in November of 2024.
As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.
So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.
I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.
So no more .db0
I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.
Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute
I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.
Bad app :c
So, basically instead of having one huge gatekeeper, we now have many smaller ones.
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I came to this space in November of 2024.
As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.
So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.
I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.
So no more .db0
I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.
Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute
I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.
Bad app :c
Hexbear is super trans inclusive (50ish% of users are trans per the last survey) and bans transphobia instantly, you may fit right in
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So, basically instead of having one huge gatekeeper, we now have many smaller ones.
This. It was never about not having gatekeepers, it was always about being the gatekeeper instead.
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Hexbear is super trans inclusive (50ish% of users are trans per the last survey) and bans transphobia instantly, you may fit right in
I'm pretty sure I remember SS, and I'm not sure they're going to fit in
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A tankie is a kind of person who likes Imperialism and expansionism so long as it comes from something related to, as the other user said, Marxist-Leninism.
The origin of Marxist-Leninism is Russia, so they support Russia invading things, and committing warcrimes, and make all sorts of excuses for such acts.
Today they're primarily in support of the Russian side in the Russo-Ukranian war, do not consider it an invasion of a sovereign nation, and consider it fully justified as an act to oppose "NATO expansion".
Essentially, to a tankie, nothing "goes too far" if they can somehow connect it to a Marxist-Leninist agenda, and behave the same way about Putin as a right-wing American behaves about Trump.
Nearly forgot; the name "tankie" comes from how Russia overwhelmingly uses tanks to invade territories.
Oh, I don't think I've witnessed one here.
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I'm pretty sure I remember SS, and I'm not sure they're going to fit in
Unfortunate shortening for the username lmao took me a while to understand. Maybe let them decide about it?
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
As much I love the idea of Lemmy, I've noticed myself I was drawn back to Reddit. Why? Because it has a larger community, of course, but (and please don't shoot me for this), Reddit's algo and rewards. Yes, the achievements gallery is stupid, but it works.
The folks building Lemmy investigating how to increase engagement, this is one factor.
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It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.
Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.
We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.
I have been using "social software" for decades now. In the early 90s I ran a single line BBS networked across Canada and USA (every modem in the network called the nearest modem and we shared posts this way). I went to friendster (before that "makeoutclub", if anyone remembers that thing), myspace, then piled onto facebook like everyone else.
The only thing that seems to make a social media tool relevant is when a critical mass of young people, in that 15-30 demo, decides that it's time to adopt a new social media platform. This has been because they want a place away from their families, but there's also all kinds of memetic reasons behind it that have nothing to do with function.
Young people need to flood to open source, distributed networks like Lemmy. I don't mean to be a token old guy and speak poorly of an entire generation, but I'm not impressed with the embracing of Tiktok, Facebook and reddit. I find it hard to take anyone with a cause who inhabits these spaces seriously. I told my niece about why Facebook sucks, and she said "that's so boomer." Like, wtf?
So yeah. Young people, stop using twitter and all that junk. I promise if you come here I'll go somewhere else.
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Unfortunate shortening for the username lmao took me a while to understand. Maybe let them decide about it?
I will. But unless anything has changed in the last 9 or so months, I expect the answer to be no.
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I will. But unless anything has changed in the last 9 or so months, I expect the answer to be no.
I see, wasn't aware of that. Thanks!
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Oh, I don't think I've witnessed one here.
They tend to pool in a certain subset of lemmy instances, and some of the main instances have defederated them, because at one point it got pretty bad.
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Because Lemmy, to this day, doesn't do what Reddit does. Yes, the UI is similar, but there's two big downsides to Reddit. One that's important now, and one that's important later.
- Lemmy is tiny. Like, really small. The Linus Tech Tips form and the Crackberry forum each have more users and more activity than all of Lemmy combined. That means, you can talk about general things of Lemmy, like e.g. US politics, but there aren't a lot of niche communities. On Reddit I can post a photo with some weird electronics component from the 60s and within minutes someone will post an answer identifying the component and telling me where to buy a replacement. On Lemmy, a corresponding community doesn't even exist.
- Lemmy scales terribly. Every instance holds a copy of all data that was ever posted in any community that any user on that instance ever subscribed to. That has two very negative effects:
- Storage requirements are insane. Since most traffic is in big communities and most users will subscribe to the big communities, most instances need to store a copy of almost all of Lemmy. If Lemmy were to ever get to the size of Reddit, every instance would have to store data in the order of magnitude of all of Reddit. Imagine small hobby admins having to host data in the region of Petabytes or Exabytes. Nobody can afford that.
- Admin work is insane. Since every instance holds a full, independent copy and doesn't only cache, they are legally responsible for the content and have to moderate it. So if someone posts e.g. illegal pornography on one instance and it's federated to another instance, the admin of the second instance needs to delete it or face legal consequences. That means, instead of the mods or admins of the original community/instance being solely responsible for keeping their stuff clean, everyone is responsible for everything and the same work needs to be done hundreds of times, once per instance.
This horrible scalability means that right now instances are getting close to their limits (see e.g. lemm.ee closing down exactly due to these reasons).
Lemmy has 40-50k monthly active users. Reddit has 5.16 billion monthly active users, so about 100 000x. If everyone on Reddit were to move over to Lemmy, Lemmy would be done. Just one day of Reddit-level traffic would be enough to jam up the history of Lemmy content so much that nobody could ever afford hosting a Lemmy instance again.
Admin work is insane. Since every instance holds a full, independent copy and doesn’t only cache, they are legally responsible for the content and have to moderate it. So if someone posts e.g. illegal pornography on one instance and it’s federated to another instance, the admin of the second instance needs to delete it or face legal consequences. That means, instead of the mods or admins of the original community/instance being solely responsible for keeping their stuff clean, everyone is responsible for everything and the same work needs to be done hundreds of times, once per instance.
Eh, if the original instance removes the CSAM - the ban and removal federates out to everywhere else, so this isn't always true.
As for the scaling of Lemmy - absolutely, but it'll never get to Reddit sized levels. Down the line, the answer here would be for the federative structure to change so that an instance only hosts its own local content, and doesn't need duplicate content viewed from external instances.
This horrible scalability means that right now instances are getting close to their limits (see e.g. lemm.ee closing down exactly due to these reasons).
That's not why lemm.ee closed down. It wasn't financial.
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