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Gaming market melts down after Google reveals new AI game design tool — Project Genie crashes stocks. (A.K.A . Investors panic because they don't understand what "real" videogames are)

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  • apeman42@lemmy.worldA apeman42@lemmy.world

    If this is widely adopted, I have enough emulators and classic PC games to never buy another game in my life and still be entertained the whole time. Good luck, corpo dipshits.

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    UnspecificGravity
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    The problem with this, and most other "ai products" isn't just that they are immortal attacks in human labor and and intellectual property, they also simply don't work.

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    • G Goodeye8

      This will never be widely accepted in the gaming space because it's not a game. The model only generates an interactive world, not a game world. It's effectively a glorified AI prompted showroom. It's useless as a development tool because nothing it generates is usable in the traditional development process which means the model would have to create the whole game but the model is incapable of understanding what a game is.

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      agentTeiko
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      Yeah this is more investors being stupid. Hell this would be impact VFX and Architects but the logic they are using. The whole thing is a cool demo but little real world application like like with most genAI.

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      • I Cast FistI I Cast Fist

        killedbygoogle.com's already polishing the new tombstone

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        tourist@lemmy.world
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        The people running that site must be extremely overworked

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        • regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldR regrettable_incident@lemmy.world

          That's all it does so far.

          But I doubt AI games will succeed, people are always going to want the human touch when it comes to art.

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          UnspecificGravity
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          Given that what it "does so far" already required the theft of the sum total of human creativity available online and the sacrifice of the survivability of humanity due to climate change, kinda seems like there isn't much else to wring out of this.

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          • M mrfinnbean@lemmy.world

            They would be capable of imitating a counter for some timeframe but to actually keep track of it over a long gaming session?

            The article was little light on the details, but if the whole game is run on ai thats what is going to happen. But if AI is creating real code and the game it creates has real files that are saved on the computer, things like point counters are not anymore tied by the limits of AI's memory.

            But i just dont see how AI in its current state could make large cohesive projects.

            Also there is no such thing as artificial intellect. AI is just nice marketing word for something that tries to mimic what real AI would be.

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            Goodeye8
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            It's not generating any code. You don't even get a game out of the model, you only get a video of what you played. It's like an AI video generator except you have control over the camera and character.

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            • ekZeppE ekZepp

              Yesterday, Google announced Project Genie, a new generative AI tool that can apparently create entire games from just prompts. It leverages the Genie 3 and Gemini models to generate a 60-second interactive world rather than a fully playable one. Despite this, many investors were scared out of their wits, imagining this as the future of game development, resulting in a massive stock sell-off that has sent the share prices of various video game companies plummeting.

              The firms affected by this include Rockstar owner Take-Two Interactive, developer/distributors like CD Projekt Red and Nintendo, along with even Roblox — that one actually makes sense. Most of the games you find on the platform, including the infamous "Steal a Brainrot," are not too far from AI slop, so it's poetic that the product of a neural network is what hurt its stock.

              Unity's share price fell the most at 20%, since it's a popular game engine. Generally speaking, that's how most games operate: they use a software framework, such as Unity or Unreal Engine, which provides basic functionality like physics, rendering, input, and sound. Studios then build their vision on top of these, and some developers even have their own custom in-house solutions, such as Rockstar's RAGE or Guerrilla's Decima.

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              paradachshund@lemmy.today
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              Welcome to the stock market: where the money's made up and the rules don't matter!

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              • bananaisaberry@lemmy.zipB bananaisaberry@lemmy.zip

                Genie is pretty cool as it stands from a technical standpoint, but... 1 minute of some really, really bottom tier walking simulator gameplay is not going to destroy the gaming market.

                Investors are so easily manipulated.

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                jacksilver@lemmy.world
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                Yeah, I think a lot of people forget that Google (and AI research like this) pumps out a lot of work like this that shows amazing new advances. However, that doesn't mean any of this is near ready.

                Here is a 2018 paper about using world models (a concept where a model is developing an understanding of a "world") that used it to create an interactive Doom AI model - https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.10122 just to show that this stuff has been in the works for a long time.

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                • ekZeppE ekZepp

                  Yesterday, Google announced Project Genie, a new generative AI tool that can apparently create entire games from just prompts. It leverages the Genie 3 and Gemini models to generate a 60-second interactive world rather than a fully playable one. Despite this, many investors were scared out of their wits, imagining this as the future of game development, resulting in a massive stock sell-off that has sent the share prices of various video game companies plummeting.

                  The firms affected by this include Rockstar owner Take-Two Interactive, developer/distributors like CD Projekt Red and Nintendo, along with even Roblox — that one actually makes sense. Most of the games you find on the platform, including the infamous "Steal a Brainrot," are not too far from AI slop, so it's poetic that the product of a neural network is what hurt its stock.

                  Unity's share price fell the most at 20%, since it's a popular game engine. Generally speaking, that's how most games operate: they use a software framework, such as Unity or Unreal Engine, which provides basic functionality like physics, rendering, input, and sound. Studios then build their vision on top of these, and some developers even have their own custom in-house solutions, such as Rockstar's RAGE or Guerrilla's Decima.

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                  criss_cross@lemmy.world
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                  So people are idiots. Got it.

                  I dunno man working on a video game as a side hobby they’re the worst things I’d use for gen ai. There’s too many things from pathing to physics and collision that require human input to make work.

                  Anytime I’ve tried it’s given some absolute shit results.

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                  • G Goodeye8

                    Well that's something I didn't think about before. How would you even release an AI game? It's just a prompt and the rest is a black box.

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                    ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    The companies that market machine learning tools to investors and the masses have not been set up by people who believe art has value. Everything is content, and content exists to be aggregated alongside advertisements or displayed for a fee.

                    I genuinely hate that actual artists can’t use a lot of pretty neat novel digital levers to make stuff. Because it’s synonymous with garbage. The ability to leap across the uncanny valley has lost all novelty and is downright banal now.

                    But the answer to your question is the same as every desperate attempt at getting a “good” use case for slop generators. It’s for cranking out low effort trash.

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                    • G Goodeye8

                      It's not generating any code. You don't even get a game out of the model, you only get a video of what you played. It's like an AI video generator except you have control over the camera and character.

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                      mrfinnbean@lemmy.world
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                      #44

                      So its a glorified a procedural generator that does not save anything it makes?

                      What the fuck. Its like saying game devs are being replaced because people see dreams when they sleep.

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                      • ekZeppE ekZepp

                        Yesterday, Google announced Project Genie, a new generative AI tool that can apparently create entire games from just prompts. It leverages the Genie 3 and Gemini models to generate a 60-second interactive world rather than a fully playable one. Despite this, many investors were scared out of their wits, imagining this as the future of game development, resulting in a massive stock sell-off that has sent the share prices of various video game companies plummeting.

                        The firms affected by this include Rockstar owner Take-Two Interactive, developer/distributors like CD Projekt Red and Nintendo, along with even Roblox — that one actually makes sense. Most of the games you find on the platform, including the infamous "Steal a Brainrot," are not too far from AI slop, so it's poetic that the product of a neural network is what hurt its stock.

                        Unity's share price fell the most at 20%, since it's a popular game engine. Generally speaking, that's how most games operate: they use a software framework, such as Unity or Unreal Engine, which provides basic functionality like physics, rendering, input, and sound. Studios then build their vision on top of these, and some developers even have their own custom in-house solutions, such as Rockstar's RAGE or Guerrilla's Decima.

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                        Tanis Nikana
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                        We play games because they’re stories and challenges put forth by other humans that look interesting.

                        Even if a slop machine put together a cohesive game involving metaphor and emotions, it’s still not human and it still won’t be played and enjoyed. It would ring hollow, just like AI sound files that try to approximate human music.

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                        • ekZeppE ekZepp

                          Yesterday, Google announced Project Genie, a new generative AI tool that can apparently create entire games from just prompts. It leverages the Genie 3 and Gemini models to generate a 60-second interactive world rather than a fully playable one. Despite this, many investors were scared out of their wits, imagining this as the future of game development, resulting in a massive stock sell-off that has sent the share prices of various video game companies plummeting.

                          The firms affected by this include Rockstar owner Take-Two Interactive, developer/distributors like CD Projekt Red and Nintendo, along with even Roblox — that one actually makes sense. Most of the games you find on the platform, including the infamous "Steal a Brainrot," are not too far from AI slop, so it's poetic that the product of a neural network is what hurt its stock.

                          Unity's share price fell the most at 20%, since it's a popular game engine. Generally speaking, that's how most games operate: they use a software framework, such as Unity or Unreal Engine, which provides basic functionality like physics, rendering, input, and sound. Studios then build their vision on top of these, and some developers even have their own custom in-house solutions, such as Rockstar's RAGE or Guerrilla's Decima.

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                          reksas@sopuli.xyz
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                          i wish i knew how to use this stupidity, but i dont know what stock would be useful to get. I dont want to buy anything from america, ubisoft is bad investment always anyway and only finnish game company i can think/find doesnt even seem affected.

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                          • ekZeppE ekZepp

                            Yesterday, Google announced Project Genie, a new generative AI tool that can apparently create entire games from just prompts. It leverages the Genie 3 and Gemini models to generate a 60-second interactive world rather than a fully playable one. Despite this, many investors were scared out of their wits, imagining this as the future of game development, resulting in a massive stock sell-off that has sent the share prices of various video game companies plummeting.

                            The firms affected by this include Rockstar owner Take-Two Interactive, developer/distributors like CD Projekt Red and Nintendo, along with even Roblox — that one actually makes sense. Most of the games you find on the platform, including the infamous "Steal a Brainrot," are not too far from AI slop, so it's poetic that the product of a neural network is what hurt its stock.

                            Unity's share price fell the most at 20%, since it's a popular game engine. Generally speaking, that's how most games operate: they use a software framework, such as Unity or Unreal Engine, which provides basic functionality like physics, rendering, input, and sound. Studios then build their vision on top of these, and some developers even have their own custom in-house solutions, such as Rockstar's RAGE or Guerrilla's Decima.

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                            BeeegScaaawyCripple
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                            Hmmm. let's build something we know and take some time, and know how to modify and build off it, or! we could spitball into the shit machine and it can shit us out a shit we don't know how any of the shit in it works and then spend twelve times as long untangling its web. SHIT MACHINE AHOY!

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                            • S slazer2au

                              So what i am hearing is buy in the dip?

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                              BeeegScaaawyCripple
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                              no these are a bunch of dips making it happen

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                              • KronusdarkK Kronusdark

                                It’s Google, so it will last two years MAX.

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                                Scrubbles
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                                I have no idea why people and companies still trust Google. When I did work on GCP we had mandatory maintenance every 2 months because some core service was changing. Hell I just got a notice last week that they're shutting down another API.

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                                • K kronarbob@lemmy.world
                                  • Step 1 : buy some shares that fell down
                                  • Step 2 : Wait for the IA fuckery to collapse
                                  • Step 3 :
                                  • Step 4 : profit
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                                  Scrubbles
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                                  Yep, gaming stocks are on sale today because of stupid investors. Happily bought a few

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                                  • regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldR regrettable_incident@lemmy.world

                                    That's all it does so far.

                                    But I doubt AI games will succeed, people are always going to want the human touch when it comes to art.

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                                    iegod
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                                    There will be a demand but I wouldn't bet on that demand being the most popular.

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                                    • apeman42@lemmy.worldA apeman42@lemmy.world

                                      If this is widely adopted, I have enough emulators and classic PC games to never buy another game in my life and still be entertained the whole time. Good luck, corpo dipshits.

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                                      BurgerBaron
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                                      I'll still buy from principled indie devs any day any year. There may be more old games than anyone could play in a single lifetime but let's be real most aren't good.

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                                      • G gegil@sopuli.xyz

                                        Investors never played a real video game. They dont undestand the difference between video (ai generated) and a video game.

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                                        brsrklf@jlai.lu
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                                        Some of them tried to make video games, and that's how they ended up with web3 and play-to-earn bullshit. Remember those? Barely? Yeah, same.

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                                        • bananaisaberry@lemmy.zipB bananaisaberry@lemmy.zip

                                          Genie is pretty cool as it stands from a technical standpoint, but... 1 minute of some really, really bottom tier walking simulator gameplay is not going to destroy the gaming market.

                                          Investors are so easily manipulated.

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                                          taldan@lemmy.world
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                                          It's an initial proof-of-concept. It'll be developed into more complex games eventually, that's not really an issue for it

                                          The main issue is that it's just a facade. It completely lacks the foundation required for a game. It's a world without hard rules, which is a terrible experience for any user. The game isn't determining cause and effect from actions. It's just guessing at what would come next

                                          What's the point of decorating an in-game house if the next time you go there, the AI forgot what was supposed to be there?

                                          What's the point of completing quests if the AI forgets what you've completed?

                                          What's the point of getting new gear if AI hallucinates what gear you have?

                                          There is no progress in an AI generated game because everything is made up as it goes. Google would need to fundamentally change their approach to allow for that


                                          That being said, this and similar technologies could be used to add really cool mechanics in a game that previously weren't feasible. The ability to add a temporary dream-like or watercolor aesthetic easily would be great for small developers to tell stories

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