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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse

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  • Cowbee [he/they]C This user is from outside of this forum
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    Cowbee [he/they]
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    #175

    "Authoritarian" in this case meaning what, exactly? That the states set up by Marxist-Leninists have lasted for longer than a few years, and built up the necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism?

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    • R realitista@lemmus.org

      Well sure you can criticize Trump there. But try criticizing the CCCP, China, or Russia.

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      #176

      You can criticize them as long as you aren't doing so from a liberal, anti-communist perspective. The genuine flaws of existing socialism are better analyzed by those that actually study socialism and socialist countries.

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      • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

        Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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        king_comrade@lemmy.world
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        #177

        Gonna share any examples? Is the Chinese propaganda in the room with us?

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          lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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          #178

          Tits up I guess!

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          • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

            There are a lot of people supportive of the PRC, both because the US Empire is declining and the PRC is positioned as an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, and because Lemmy has a lot of communists. Lemmy has a lot of communists because the lead developers are communists, FOSS attracts communists, and because as Reddit bans communist communities they are often suggested to come here.

            There's absolutely no credible evidence of CPC interference in Lemmy, this is a normal thing to happen to a FOSS alternative to Reddit.

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            king_comrade@lemmy.world
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            #179

            Man's freaking out cos he just learned .ml stands for marxist-leninist 😂
            Glad to find something we strongly agree on tho comrade.

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            • ☂️-U ☂️-

              leftists* are rampant on the fediverse

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              king_comrade@lemmy.world
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              #180

              Agreed, I find comrades of all kinds of colours and stripes here.

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              • K king_comrade@lemmy.world

                Man's freaking out cos he just learned .ml stands for marxist-leninist 😂
                Glad to find something we strongly agree on tho comrade.

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                Cowbee [he/they]
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                #181

                To be clear, .ml stands for Mali, and it was allegedly chosen because it was cheap/free. Lemmy.ml is just the flagship, test instance, and happens to have a lot of communists because the devs are communists. Lemmygrad.ml is explicitly ML.

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                • ☂️-U ☂️-

                  you are getting the deflection backwards. the comparison is very necessary when the problems and contradictions in the countries being smeared pale in comparison.

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                  artyom
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                  #182

                  No it is not. If that's the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by "yeah but that other guy is worse so it's okay". It's preposterous.

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                  • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                    To be clear, .ml stands for Mali, and it was allegedly chosen because it was cheap/free. Lemmy.ml is just the flagship, test instance, and happens to have a lot of communists because the devs are communists. Lemmygrad.ml is explicitly ML.

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                    hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org
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                    @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml

                    Lemmygrad. ml is explicitly ML.

                    Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad. ml

                    ... findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content ... Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine ...

                    The whole study makes a good read.

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                    • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                      There are a lot of people supportive of the PRC, both because the US Empire is declining and the PRC is positioned as an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, and because Lemmy has a lot of communists. Lemmy has a lot of communists because the lead developers are communists, FOSS attracts communists, and because as Reddit bans communist communities they are often suggested to come here.

                      There's absolutely no credible evidence of CPC interference in Lemmy, this is a normal thing to happen to a FOSS alternative to Reddit.

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                      Jerkface (any/all)
                      wrote last edited by jerkface@lemmy.ca
                      #184

                      okay but it's also a normal thing for the CPC to monitor and influence online spaces and it's certainly not restricted to lemmy

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                      • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                        To be clear, .ml stands for Mali, and it was allegedly chosen because it was cheap/free. Lemmy.ml is just the flagship, test instance, and happens to have a lot of communists because the devs are communists. Lemmygrad.ml is explicitly ML.

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                        king_comrade@lemmy.world
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                        #185

                        Ah cheers for the clarity, my mistake

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                        • K king_comrade@lemmy.world

                          Ah cheers for the clarity, my mistake

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                          Cowbee [he/they]
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                          No worries!

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                          • H hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org

                            @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml

                            Lemmygrad. ml is explicitly ML.

                            Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad. ml

                            ... findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content ... Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine ...

                            The whole study makes a good read.

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                            thoro@lemmy.ml
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                            I liked the part where they conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism, show one comment/"post" as proof, and don't reference it so readers can view upvotes or context around said post.

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                            • H hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org

                              @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml

                              Lemmygrad. ml is explicitly ML.

                              Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad. ml

                              ... findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content ... Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine ...

                              The whole study makes a good read.

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                              Cowbee [he/they]
                              wrote last edited by cowbee@lemmy.ml
                              #188

                              Communist subreddits like r/GenZedong and lately r/TheDeprogram, after being banned by Reddit, migrated largely to Lemmygrad.ml. I agree that the study is a good read, but for humor, not serious journalism. Their study is essentially them finding out that communists are on a communist platform, and then the study conductors conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism, a common hasbara tactic.

                              Nothing you said contradicts that Lemmygrad.ml is Marxist-Leninist, all you've really done is confirm that it is, while also conflating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. Further, the only comment they point out as anti-semitic, was in fact removed by the moderation for spilling over the edge, as comrade Edie pointed out here. Claiming grad is anti-semitic because of comments it removes is tortured logic.

                              Also not sure why you're tagging my grad account, if I was trying to hide that I wouldn't post in my account description that I'm a Marxist-Leninist, nor would I have made my grad account the same name as my Hexbear and Lemmy.ml accounts.

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                              • H hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org

                                @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml

                                Lemmygrad. ml is explicitly ML.

                                Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad. ml

                                ... findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content ... Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine ...

                                The whole study makes a good read.

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                                Diva (she/her)
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                                The whole study makes a good read.

                                Srry I can't take it seriously when the author is this guy

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                                • Jerkface (any/all)J Jerkface (any/all)

                                  okay but it's also a normal thing for the CPC to monitor and influence online spaces and it's certainly not restricted to lemmy

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                                  Cowbee [he/they]
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                                  #190

                                  To a degree, perhaps, though the CPC largely sticks to the Chinese sphere of the internet. I haven't seen any evidence for CPC interference in Lemmy though, nor of widespread CPC influence over western, English-speaking spaces. China doesn't really care as much for that, plus the implication is that the US Empire is fundamentally weaker than the PRC at propagandizing on the Statesian "home turf" when we know the opposite is the case.

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                                  • Diva (she/her)D Diva (she/her)

                                    The whole study makes a good read.

                                    Srry I can't take it seriously when the author is this guy

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                                    Cowbee [he/they]
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                                    Is that real?

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                                    • T thoro@lemmy.ml

                                      I liked the part where they conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism, show one comment/"post" as proof, and don't reference it so readers can view upvotes or context around said post.

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                                      #192

                                      https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/18989

                                      5 downvotes, removed by mod. Modlog for user: https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog?userId=2803

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                                      • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                                        Is that real?

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                                        Diva (she/her)
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                                        Yes lol

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                                          https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/18989

                                          5 downvotes, removed by mod. Modlog for user: https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog?userId=2803

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                                          thoro@lemmy.ml
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                                          Lmao wow

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