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  • H hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org

    @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml

    Lemmygrad. ml is explicitly ML.

    Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad. ml

    ... findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content ... Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine ...

    The whole study makes a good read.

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    chloroken@lemmy.ml
    wrote last edited by chloroken@lemmy.ml
    #205

    The problem with political studies is that they're nonscientific. It's a blog post they're calling a study. No amount of statistical analysis or clever methodology makes this a proper study because it's based on political opinions. A terrible, ignorant set of opinions at that.

    "But isn't Marxism a study of politics?!" No, it's a body of works in economics and historical analysis, not wayward political opinions.

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    • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

      Pretty sure these are all the same person. If you ever engage, you can recognize the same asshole attitude. I've seen multiple of them up/down vote comments where no one else has. Don't think they do that anymore cause it's too obvious.

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      goferking (he/him)
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      #206

      That would explain a lot and make their constant denials of pushing specific content even funnier

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      • R realitista@lemmus.org

        Where did I say civilians? That's just the pretext they used to silence any words against Russia.

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        goferking (he/him)
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        #207

        What do you think people need to be punished implies?

        Asking as have seen way too many say it totally only means the bad ones especially when talking about areas they believe everyone in the area are fair game

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        • B braininabox@lemmy.ml

          Where did I say civilians?

          In the linked chain, repeatedly.

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          goferking (he/him)
          wrote last edited by
          #208

          It's amazing how many don't see people as civilians simply because live in the wrong spot

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          • H hector@lemmy.today

            That assumes you accurately define propaganda. I think we've all faced half baked allegations as such, and had people vote with the accuser, you want everyone to be seperated from each other on here because they misunderstood a point, or understood different facts, or because they are a dumbass on a different topic?

            Just downvote, and move on, unless the person is stalking you, looking at you hexrat, or whatever fucking mammal.

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            edible_funk
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            #209

            Irony thy name is Hector.

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            • edible_funkE edible_funk

              Irony thy name is Hector.

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              hector@lemmy.today
              wrote last edited by
              #210

              Speak of the devil. The long palsied arm of [redacted.]

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              • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                bussygyatt@feddit.org
                wrote last edited by
                #211

                your mom is rampant on this dick

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                • H hector@lemmy.today

                  Speak of the devil. The long palsied arm of [redacted.]

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                  edible_funk
                  wrote last edited by
                  #212

                  Is the hexbort here in the room with us right now? There's a fancy saying my people have, if you're smelling dog shit everywhere you go, look under your own shoe.

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                  • edible_funkE edible_funk

                    Is the hexbort here in the room with us right now? There's a fancy saying my people have, if you're smelling dog shit everywhere you go, look under your own shoe.

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                    edible_funk
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                    #213

                    At least I don't use alts to upvote my comments and downvote yours. Like yourself. Sad stuff Hec. Sad stuff.

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                    • edible_funkE edible_funk

                      Is the hexbort here in the room with us right now? There's a fancy saying my people have, if you're smelling dog shit everywhere you go, look under your own shoe.

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                      hector@lemmy.today
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                      #214

                      Great anecdote comrade. We have sayong, if you do not think good, do not think much. Now if you will excuse me trollsky.

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                      • B bussygyatt@feddit.org

                        your mom is rampant on this dick

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                        konstant@lemmy.world
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                        哈!Gottem!

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                        • H hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org

                          @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml

                          Lemmygrad. ml is explicitly ML.

                          Exploring Left-Wing Extremism on the Decentralized Web: An Analysis of Lemmygrad. ml

                          ... findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content ... Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine ...

                          The whole study makes a good read.

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                          davel@lemmy.ml
                          wrote last edited by davel@lemmy.ml
                          #216

                          We already went over this garbage study with your @Scotty@scribe.disroot.org account^1 and @Sepia@mander.xyz account^2 two days ago and your @Sepia@mander.xyz account two months ago^3.

                          You’re like a broken record, bot.

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                          • G goferking (he/him)

                            What do you think people need to be punished implies?

                            Asking as have seen way too many say it totally only means the bad ones especially when talking about areas they believe everyone in the area are fair game

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                            realitista@lemmus.org
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                            I didn't use those words. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you can't make the case with the words I actually said, you can't make the case.

                            I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

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                            • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                              Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                              whyjiffie@sh.itjust.works
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                              #218

                              lemmy.ml is just like that, maybe you want to look for a new home instance.

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                              • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                                There are a lot of people supportive of the PRC, both because the US Empire is declining and the PRC is positioned as an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, and because Lemmy has a lot of communists. Lemmy has a lot of communists because the lead developers are communists, FOSS attracts communists, and because as Reddit bans communist communities they are often suggested to come here.

                                There's absolutely no credible evidence of CPC interference in Lemmy, this is a normal thing to happen to a FOSS alternative to Reddit.

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                                whyjiffie@sh.itjust.works
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                                the PRC is not nearly an alternative to the US empire, its a replacement to it, with different but overlapping trade-offs. what about neither? It's seriously like instagram users fleeing to tiktok, then to upscroll or whichever other corporate platform.

                                the bad of the US does not make the PRC good. I want change, big changes, but definitely not that kind.

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                                • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                                  Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                                  brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                  #220

                                  It’s propaganda, period.

                                  Every top news post in .world is some tabloid outlet, reposting another source, and mods do nothing about it.


                                  Normally, I’m fine with that “old internet” feel of craziness flying around everywhere, but mimicking Reddit’s structure so closely makes things feel less diverse/discoverable, and more like echo chambers blotting out the sun… which is exactly how previous Reddit alternatives died.

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                                  • W whyjiffie@sh.itjust.works

                                    the PRC is not nearly an alternative to the US empire, its a replacement to it, with different but overlapping trade-offs. what about neither? It's seriously like instagram users fleeing to tiktok, then to upscroll or whichever other corporate platform.

                                    the bad of the US does not make the PRC good. I want change, big changes, but definitely not that kind.

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                                    Cowbee [he/they]
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                                    The US Empire is currently exporting mass death and destruction globally, threatening Greenland and Canada with annexation, kidnapped another country's president and first lady, is performing piracy for oil, threatening Cuba, and on top of all of these overt acts of terror, is super-exploiting the global south for super profits. The PRC, on the other hand, as a socialist country, is far more peaceful, maintains a defensive millitary, has ~3 overseas millitary bases compared to the hundreds of the US Empire, and offers mutual development opportunities like Belt and Road.

                                    The differences are staggering. When countries in the global south partner with the US Empire, they are trapped in cycles of underdevelopment, where their surplus value is plundered. When countries in the global south trade and partner with the PRC, they achieve rapid development, and escape the never-ending cycle of impoverishment. This win-win development isn't because China is more morally good, but because their economic structure and geopolitical position compels them towards mutual cooperation over plunder and terror.

                                    Further, there isn't really an alternative to the US Empire and PRC. The US Empire is actively invading countries to make sure they comply. The EU is vassalized by the US Empire. When we look at who the global south goes to for development opportunities, they are increasingly rejecting western imperialism in favor of cooperation with China and BRICS, and forming mutual partnerships with neighboring countries (like the Alliance of Sahel States).

                                    The bad of the US Empire isn't why the PRC is better, the sheer benefit of working with the PRC is why the PRC is better.

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                                    • whaleross@lemmy.worldW whaleross@lemmy.world

                                      Register on a different instance and filter everything ml. It's a life changer with the Fediverse.

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                                      hoch@lemmy.world
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                                      Best advice here. ML is a goddamn dumpster fire

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                                      • R realitista@lemmus.org

                                        I didn't use those words. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you can't make the case with the words I actually said, you can't make the case.

                                        I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

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                                        goferking (he/him)
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                                        #223

                                        what does Ukraine gain by hitting civilians?

                                        it's the only thing that Russia will understand

                                        So we are using your words, you just don't like how people react to what you are saying.

                                        I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

                                        This goes back to those that think it's okay to blow shit up if it belongs to the bad people. Also see how Israelis see their neighbors

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                                        • G goferking (he/him)

                                          what does Ukraine gain by hitting civilians?

                                          it's the only thing that Russia will understand

                                          So we are using your words, you just don't like how people react to what you are saying.

                                          I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

                                          This goes back to those that think it's okay to blow shit up if it belongs to the bad people. Also see how Israelis see their neighbors

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                                          realitista@lemmus.org
                                          wrote last edited by realitista@lemmus.org
                                          #224

                                          Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

                                          But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.

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