Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse
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There are a lot of people supportive of the PRC, both because the US Empire is declining and the PRC is positioned as an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, and because Lemmy has a lot of communists. Lemmy has a lot of communists because the lead developers are communists, FOSS attracts communists, and because as Reddit bans communist communities they are often suggested to come here.
There's absolutely no credible evidence of CPC interference in Lemmy, this is a normal thing to happen to a FOSS alternative to Reddit.
the PRC is not nearly an alternative to the US empire, its a replacement to it, with different but overlapping trade-offs. what about neither? It's seriously like instagram users fleeing to tiktok, then to upscroll or whichever other corporate platform.
the bad of the US does not make the PRC good. I want change, big changes, but definitely not that kind.
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
It’s propaganda, period.
Every top news post in .world is some tabloid outlet, reposting another source, and mods do nothing about it.
Normally, I’m fine with that “old internet” feel of craziness flying around everywhere, but mimicking Reddit’s structure so closely makes things feel less diverse/discoverable, and more like echo chambers blotting out the sun… which is exactly how previous Reddit alternatives died.
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the PRC is not nearly an alternative to the US empire, its a replacement to it, with different but overlapping trade-offs. what about neither? It's seriously like instagram users fleeing to tiktok, then to upscroll or whichever other corporate platform.
the bad of the US does not make the PRC good. I want change, big changes, but definitely not that kind.
The US Empire is currently exporting mass death and destruction globally, threatening Greenland and Canada with annexation, kidnapped another country's president and first lady, is performing piracy for oil, threatening Cuba, and on top of all of these overt acts of terror, is super-exploiting the global south for super profits. The PRC, on the other hand, as a socialist country, is far more peaceful, maintains a defensive millitary, has ~3 overseas millitary bases compared to the hundreds of the US Empire, and offers mutual development opportunities like Belt and Road.
The differences are staggering. When countries in the global south partner with the US Empire, they are trapped in cycles of underdevelopment, where their surplus value is plundered. When countries in the global south trade and partner with the PRC, they achieve rapid development, and escape the never-ending cycle of impoverishment. This win-win development isn't because China is more morally good, but because their economic structure and geopolitical position compels them towards mutual cooperation over plunder and terror.
Further, there isn't really an alternative to the US Empire and PRC. The US Empire is actively invading countries to make sure they comply. The EU is vassalized by the US Empire. When we look at who the global south goes to for development opportunities, they are increasingly rejecting western imperialism in favor of cooperation with China and BRICS, and forming mutual partnerships with neighboring countries (like the Alliance of Sahel States).
The bad of the US Empire isn't why the PRC is better, the sheer benefit of working with the PRC is why the PRC is better.
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Register on a different instance and filter everything ml. It's a life changer with the Fediverse.
Best advice here. ML is a goddamn dumpster fire
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I didn't use those words. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you can't make the case with the words I actually said, you can't make the case.
I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
what does Ukraine gain by hitting civilians?
it's the only thing that Russia will understand
So we are using your words, you just don't like how people react to what you are saying.
I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
This goes back to those that think it's okay to blow shit up if it belongs to the bad people. Also see how Israelis see their neighbors
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what does Ukraine gain by hitting civilians?
it's the only thing that Russia will understand
So we are using your words, you just don't like how people react to what you are saying.
I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
This goes back to those that think it's okay to blow shit up if it belongs to the bad people. Also see how Israelis see their neighbors
Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.
But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.
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"Authoritarian" in this case meaning what, exactly? That the states set up by Marxist-Leninists have lasted for longer than a few years, and built up the necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism?
It's always funny to watch tankies try to justify their boot licking. You're not fooling anyone, bud.
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It's always funny to watch tankies try to justify their boot licking. You're not fooling anyone, bud.
How exactly am I boot-licking? How am I trying to "fool" anyone?
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Sinophobia will get you nowhere. Those "Chinese State Actors" on the Fediverse are largely Western crackers who read theory and oppose Imperialism. You shouldn't bogeyman an entire nation you don't know anything about, this is xenophobic and also works against the working class.
I tend to agree with sentiment. Its more useful idiots type then cynical profesionals feeling.
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Gonna share any examples? Is the Chinese propaganda in the room with us?
I've been banned from several communities because I addressed the issues with slavery in China in a comment, and because I dared to critize the CCPs antiworker policies (like denying unions that dont align with what the leadership idea of the national interest).
I can get some evidence in some of the time but then ill be sudenly banned.
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That's not a rule, though. Many anarchists critically support the PRC and consider socialism to be better than capitalism, even if they disagree with Marxism and seek communalization over collectivization in the final analysis. As an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, the PRC plays a positive role.
Some of the worst things happen in the US are adoptions of PRC style domestic policy and some of the worst in the PRC is the adoption of both British and US style imperealism.
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How exactly am I boot-licking? How am I trying to "fool" anyone?
Maybe the part where you defend authoritarian actions (like hostility against dissidents) as simply "necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism"?
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You can criticize them as long as you aren't doing so from a liberal, anti-communist perspective. The genuine flaws of existing socialism are better analyzed by those that actually study socialism and socialist countries.
Ive been banned for criticzing the PRC explictly from a socialist perspective.
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Some of the worst things happen in the US are adoptions of PRC style domestic policy and some of the worst in the PRC is the adoption of both British and US style imperealism.
Can you elaborate? The US isn't adopting PRC style domestic policy, nor is the PRC adopting British nor US-style imperialism, so I have no idea what you're talking about. The PRC isn't imperialist to begin with, it has no colonies nor neocolonies and isn't plundering the surplus value created by the global south. Trade deals with China don't come at the barrel of a gun either.
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Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.
But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.
Your deleted comment was also about nothing will change until the people feel it when talking about how Ukraine needs to hit Russian cities.
Which gets back to asking what you think people are if not civilians.
Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.
It's not a strawman when you start with bomb the cities
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Lemmy.ml is?!? That's who I signed up for though. I like the privacy stuff. So which instance is politically neutral but technically aligned, pirate party, self hosting etc?
I'm a big fan of my instance im on so fat. sh.itjust.works/
They are more focused on a working platform then silecing dessent
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Maybe the part where you defend authoritarian actions (like hostility against dissidents) as simply "necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism"?
Executing or otherwise punishing capitalists guilty of subversion and corruption, such as Bai Tianhui, is a good thing. "Dissidents" aren't virtuous by "dissenting," it's important to know what dissent means in practice and what they are dissenting against.
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Ive been banned for criticzing the PRC explictly from a socialist perspective.
You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.
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No it is not. If that's the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by "yeah but that other guy is worse so it's okay". It's preposterous.
I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s
Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho
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Well you can listen to all the Hitlerites from axiss.world if you like. Or actually interact with politically literate people on .ml
Thank the devs for federation and that those arent the only forsaken options
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