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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse

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  • G goferking (he/him)

    what does Ukraine gain by hitting civilians?

    it's the only thing that Russia will understand

    So we are using your words, you just don't like how people react to what you are saying.

    I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

    This goes back to those that think it's okay to blow shit up if it belongs to the bad people. Also see how Israelis see their neighbors

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    realitista@lemmus.org
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    #224

    Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

    But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.

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    • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

      "Authoritarian" in this case meaning what, exactly? That the states set up by Marxist-Leninists have lasted for longer than a few years, and built up the necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism?

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      hoch@lemmy.world
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      It's always funny to watch tankies try to justify their boot licking. You're not fooling anyone, bud.

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      • H hoch@lemmy.world

        It's always funny to watch tankies try to justify their boot licking. You're not fooling anyone, bud.

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        Cowbee [he/they]
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        How exactly am I boot-licking? How am I trying to "fool" anyone?

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        • C chloroken@lemmy.ml

          Sinophobia will get you nowhere. Those "Chinese State Actors" on the Fediverse are largely Western crackers who read theory and oppose Imperialism. You shouldn't bogeyman an entire nation you don't know anything about, this is xenophobic and also works against the working class.

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          fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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          I tend to agree with sentiment. Its more useful idiots type then cynical profesionals feeling.

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          • K king_comrade@lemmy.world

            Gonna share any examples? Is the Chinese propaganda in the room with us?

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            fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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            I've been banned from several communities because I addressed the issues with slavery in China in a comment, and because I dared to critize the CCPs antiworker policies (like denying unions that dont align with what the leadership idea of the national interest).

            I can get some evidence in some of the time but then ill be sudenly banned.

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            • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

              That's not a rule, though. Many anarchists critically support the PRC and consider socialism to be better than capitalism, even if they disagree with Marxism and seek communalization over collectivization in the final analysis. As an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, the PRC plays a positive role.

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              fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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              Some of the worst things happen in the US are adoptions of PRC style domestic policy and some of the worst in the PRC is the adoption of both British and US style imperealism.

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              • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                How exactly am I boot-licking? How am I trying to "fool" anyone?

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                hoch@lemmy.world
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                Maybe the part where you defend authoritarian actions (like hostility against dissidents) as simply "necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism"?

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                • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                  You can criticize them as long as you aren't doing so from a liberal, anti-communist perspective. The genuine flaws of existing socialism are better analyzed by those that actually study socialism and socialist countries.

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                  fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                  Ive been banned for criticzing the PRC explictly from a socialist perspective.

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                  • F fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works

                    Some of the worst things happen in the US are adoptions of PRC style domestic policy and some of the worst in the PRC is the adoption of both British and US style imperealism.

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                    Cowbee [he/they]
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                    #232

                    Can you elaborate? The US isn't adopting PRC style domestic policy, nor is the PRC adopting British nor US-style imperialism, so I have no idea what you're talking about. The PRC isn't imperialist to begin with, it has no colonies nor neocolonies and isn't plundering the surplus value created by the global south. Trade deals with China don't come at the barrel of a gun either.

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                    • R realitista@lemmus.org

                      Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

                      But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.

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                      goferking (he/him)
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                      Your deleted comment was also about nothing will change until the people feel it when talking about how Ukraine needs to hit Russian cities.

                      Which gets back to asking what you think people are if not civilians.

                      Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

                      It's not a strawman when you start with bomb the cities

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                      • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                        Lemmy.ml is?!? That's who I signed up for though. I like the privacy stuff. So which instance is politically neutral but technically aligned, pirate party, self hosting etc?

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                        fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                        I'm a big fan of my instance im on so fat. sh.itjust.works/

                        They are more focused on a working platform then silecing dessent

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                        • H hoch@lemmy.world

                          Maybe the part where you defend authoritarian actions (like hostility against dissidents) as simply "necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism"?

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                          Cowbee [he/they]
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                          Executing or otherwise punishing capitalists guilty of subversion and corruption, such as Bai Tianhui, is a good thing. "Dissidents" aren't virtuous by "dissenting," it's important to know what dissent means in practice and what they are dissenting against.

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                          • F fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works

                            Ive been banned for criticzing the PRC explictly from a socialist perspective.

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                            Cowbee [he/they]
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                            You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.

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                            • artyomA artyom

                              No it is not. If that's the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by "yeah but that other guy is worse so it's okay". It's preposterous.

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                              fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                              I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s

                              Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho

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                              • алсааас [she/her]A алсааас [she/her]

                                Well you can listen to all the Hitlerites from axiss.world if you like. Or actually interact with politically literate people on .ml

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                                fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                                Thank the devs for federation and that those arent the only forsaken options

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                                • F fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works

                                  I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s

                                  Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho

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                                  artyom
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                                  That's a great example, thank you.

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                                  • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                                    Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                                    crashumbc@lemmy.world
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                                    Leave .ml, ban instance. 90% fixed.

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                                    • G goferking (he/him)

                                      Your deleted comment was also about nothing will change until the people feel it when talking about how Ukraine needs to hit Russian cities.

                                      Which gets back to asking what you think people are if not civilians.

                                      Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.

                                      It's not a strawman when you start with bomb the cities

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                                      realitista@lemmus.org
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                                      #241

                                      They will feel it when they see targets in their cities being hit. And I've already told you what targets I meant.

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                                      • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                                        You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.

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                                        fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Didnt know it was temp. Thank you

                                        One was more despite the evidence of clear worker rights violations that was argued was fine because the state is "the workers". The second I got called to provide evidence (which sure no probs there) but then silenced lmao. Super frustrating.

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                                        • F fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works

                                          I've been banned from several communities because I addressed the issues with slavery in China in a comment, and because I dared to critize the CCPs antiworker policies (like denying unions that dont align with what the leadership idea of the national interest).

                                          I can get some evidence in some of the time but then ill be sudenly banned.

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                                          king_comrade@lemmy.world
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                                          Which communities are problematic? I've not experienced any censoring when I've argued with tankies in the past, even got away with using 'red fascist'. I assume I've been blocked by a few folk tho aha..

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