Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse
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Some of the worst things happen in the US are adoptions of PRC style domestic policy and some of the worst in the PRC is the adoption of both British and US style imperealism.
Can you elaborate? The US isn't adopting PRC style domestic policy, nor is the PRC adopting British nor US-style imperialism, so I have no idea what you're talking about. The PRC isn't imperialist to begin with, it has no colonies nor neocolonies and isn't plundering the surplus value created by the global south. Trade deals with China don't come at the barrel of a gun either.
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Yes those are my words. I never said anything about attacking civilians. Maybe I should have elaborated, but I was talking about hitting Moscow and St. Petersburg. The other guy was talking about civilians. Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.
But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.
Your deleted comment was also about nothing will change until the people feel it when talking about how Ukraine needs to hit Russian cities.
Which gets back to asking what you think people are if not civilians.
Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.
It's not a strawman when you start with bomb the cities
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Lemmy.ml is?!? That's who I signed up for though. I like the privacy stuff. So which instance is politically neutral but technically aligned, pirate party, self hosting etc?
I'm a big fan of my instance im on so fat. sh.itjust.works/
They are more focused on a working platform then silecing dessent
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Maybe the part where you defend authoritarian actions (like hostility against dissidents) as simply "necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism"?
Executing or otherwise punishing capitalists guilty of subversion and corruption, such as Bai Tianhui, is a good thing. "Dissidents" aren't virtuous by "dissenting," it's important to know what dissent means in practice and what they are dissenting against.
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Ive been banned for criticzing the PRC explictly from a socialist perspective.
You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.
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No it is not. If that's the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by "yeah but that other guy is worse so it's okay". It's preposterous.
I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s
Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho
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Well you can listen to all the Hitlerites from axiss.world if you like. Or actually interact with politically literate people on .ml
Thank the devs for federation and that those arent the only forsaken options
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I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s
Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho
That's a great example, thank you.
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
Leave .ml, ban instance. 90% fixed.
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Your deleted comment was also about nothing will change until the people feel it when talking about how Ukraine needs to hit Russian cities.
Which gets back to asking what you think people are if not civilians.
Just because someone puts up a straw man and I didn't immediately tear it down doesn't mean I said something.
It's not a strawman when you start with bomb the cities
They will feel it when they see targets in their cities being hit. And I've already told you what targets I meant.
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You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.
Didnt know it was temp. Thank you
One was more despite the evidence of clear worker rights violations that was argued was fine because the state is "the workers". The second I got called to provide evidence (which sure no probs there) but then silenced lmao. Super frustrating.
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I've been banned from several communities because I addressed the issues with slavery in China in a comment, and because I dared to critize the CCPs antiworker policies (like denying unions that dont align with what the leadership idea of the national interest).
I can get some evidence in some of the time but then ill be sudenly banned.
Which communities are problematic? I've not experienced any censoring when I've argued with tankies in the past, even got away with using 'red fascist'. I assume I've been blocked by a few folk tho aha..
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We already went over this garbage study with your @Scotty@scribe.disroot.org account^1 and @Sepia@mander.xyz account^2 two days ago and your @Sepia@mander.xyz account two months ago^3.
You’re like a broken record, bot.
Well that explains a lot
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Didnt know it was temp. Thank you
One was more despite the evidence of clear worker rights violations that was argued was fine because the state is "the workers". The second I got called to provide evidence (which sure no probs there) but then silenced lmao. Super frustrating.
What you called "clear worker rights violations," was just the fact that unions are required to be a part of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions, and aren't allowed to be independent from that federation. This isn't a violation of worker rights, though, as the only purpose rogue unions would serve is undermining the socialist system, and would be vulnerable to foreign backing (such as from the US Empire).
The socialist state is already run by the working classes, I recommend Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the Theory and History of Socialist Governance to get a better idea of how and why socialist countries hold the structures they do. Roland Boer also has a good book called Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners, which is more specifically about the PRC and goes beyond the structures of governance to the more broad system of socialism in China.
Regarding your participation in MeanwhileOnGrad, you should know that EmoPunker cut off the final replies, where they called defenders of Pol Pot "genuine socialists." These are the kinds of posts on that comm, they selectively remove context that makes themselves look worse, deliberately misframe reasonable comments, and the comm itself is run by a zionist. This kind of anti-communist bar is a gathering spot for genuine fascists, but it seems you're fine with participating there.
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Well that explains a lot
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They will feel it when they see targets in their cities being hit. And I've already told you what targets I meant.
Which again gets back to do you not care or think about the people living in the cities?
Or it okay as long as a legal order? Cause there's others on lemmy who love to say that's fine even if order is to target civilians
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Can you elaborate? The US isn't adopting PRC style domestic policy, nor is the PRC adopting British nor US-style imperialism, so I have no idea what you're talking about. The PRC isn't imperialist to begin with, it has no colonies nor neocolonies and isn't plundering the surplus value created by the global south. Trade deals with China don't come at the barrel of a gun either.
Sure. US takeover of TicTok is really direct example. The current ethnic cleasing operation empowering state protected slavery. Tighter interaction between buisness and goverment where failure to toe the party line is punished through unfavorable legal action and loss of goverment contracts for them or assoiciates. A heavy investment into domostic survellence and again forced cooperation for survellence capitalists.
On the US side.
On the PRC side, the expainsion Hong Kong style loan aggreements in order to establish maritime control globally. The attempt to expand territorial rights in the south china sea in order to expand their of control on their neighbors. Exporting survelence and censorship systems and models to keep favoriable dictatorships in power (as well as probally establish backdoors though that is an assumption). The funding of any group that fights their rivals influence as well. Just things imperialist do.
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What you called "clear worker rights violations," was just the fact that unions are required to be a part of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions, and aren't allowed to be independent from that federation. This isn't a violation of worker rights, though, as the only purpose rogue unions would serve is undermining the socialist system, and would be vulnerable to foreign backing (such as from the US Empire).
The socialist state is already run by the working classes, I recommend Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the Theory and History of Socialist Governance to get a better idea of how and why socialist countries hold the structures they do. Roland Boer also has a good book called Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners, which is more specifically about the PRC and goes beyond the structures of governance to the more broad system of socialism in China.
Regarding your participation in MeanwhileOnGrad, you should know that EmoPunker cut off the final replies, where they called defenders of Pol Pot "genuine socialists." These are the kinds of posts on that comm, they selectively remove context that makes themselves look worse, deliberately misframe reasonable comments, and the comm itself is run by a zionist. This kind of anti-communist bar is a gathering spot for genuine fascists, but it seems you're fine with participating there.
Fair point those workers trying to organize against unfair labor practices would undermine the state. The state was surely handling super well already actually. /s
Thank you for the reads though i will check those out even if we disagree on this so fat
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Which communities are problematic? I've not experienced any censoring when I've argued with tankies in the past, even got away with using 'red fascist'. I assume I've been blocked by a few folk tho aha..
I cant remeber tbh. They kind of benign places like asklemmy but on the lemmy.ml server
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Are you trying to be ironic? Of course the BBC is pro imperialism.
They're an IDF apologist, so probably not
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