Ideas for a better Lemmy experience
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
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- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
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- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
auto closing/suspending stale communities
stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no postsNo. I've seen several times people ask the admins if they could take over a community. And it happened. Thus reviving dead communities.
staggered new account permissions:
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.Why?
allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
This one I like.
Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.
That's not how it should be done though. The same menu that you pull out that lets you report things to a mod, instead of reporting to mod, it should let you report as NSFW. If a mod approves the request, it then becomes labeled as NSFW.
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auto closing/suspending stale communities
Define "stale" commmunities.
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
This would not help interacting levels at all.
My proposed definition of stale is in the OP
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What is the point of "staggered new account permissions"?
At most we should be Autofolding/hiding unpopular comments.
This stuff? https://lemmy.world/u/FYLD_Proofchain
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I think the issue is putting barriers to legit users even if it prevents some spam will keep us small.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
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- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
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- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
I'll give some insight from NodeBB.
Adding in delays (x days until first post, y hours until upvote, etc.) do nothing to curb spam.
If your spam is manual, they will discover the waiting period, update their rulebook, and go to town when the waiting period is over.
If the spam is automated, it will work until the spammer admin discovers the waiting period, updates the script, and has the bots resume going to town when the waiting period is over.
At the same time it severly hampers usability at its most crucial (the first post).
The only thing that works to curb spam is a post queue with manual review... or locking the ability to post links behind reputation.
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I think the issue is putting barriers to legit users even if it prevents some spam will keep us small.
What’s keeping us small (no proof just opinion) is the petty inter instance infighting and the lack of accessible fediverse education for social media adhd minds.
Also we’re growing, but given the times we’re in and how massive a piece of shit u/spez is, one would hope it grew faster.
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Ehh still seems useless, they then just have to age the accounts before posting. One thing I'd want to know is of those posts are in topic areas that anyone would want to influence surreptitiously.
Yeah, they all seem to be posting vague ragebait. There's definitely some sort of agenda there
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
How does staggered new account permissions help deter bad actors in any way whatsoever? There's nothing preventing them from having a pipeline of accounts in aging.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
Instead of closing stale communities, I'd like to see a more federated versions of what Reddit does:
- a community goes stale
- this can be further supported by modmail sent to mods requesting immediate active moderation within X days, if that doesn't happen, then consider it stale
- all accounts that signed up to the community are notified about it being stale and requesting moderators to apply
- any account that has interacted with the community in X time (say, the last year or 6 months) can then apply to be a moderator
- a, say, 30 or 60 day period follows allowing moderator applications and community member votes (not just signed up members but accounts that interacted with the community in Y time, this can be larger than the previous moderator application timeframe requirement). Only those whose first interaction with the community was before the stale announcement are allowed to vote.
- at the end of the period, the new moderator team is picked by automation based on the votes and total number of applicants.
- if necessary, the instance owner(s) can also step in to provide assistance in assigning moderators
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How does staggered new account permissions help deter bad actors in any way whatsoever? There's nothing preventing them from having a pipeline of accounts in aging.
Each comment questioning this assume trolls are from all well funder st petersburg troll farms, I’d wager quite a few may be reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
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Each comment questioning this assume trolls are from all well funder st petersburg troll farms, I’d wager quite a few may be reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
It does not take any funding to create accounts a few days in advance. Automating account creation is probably the most basic step in any troll's toolbox.
reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
Trolls who give up after a day aren't trolls, they're users having a bad day. And if they're stopping after a day, their impact on everybody else is miniscule.
On the OTHER hand, as everybody has pointed out, you're badly impacting the new user experience. Bullshit posting restrictions on reddit are one of the worst things they came up with. Let's not replicate all the user hostile stuff they implemented.
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This sounds like a much better approach.
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A new user might come along and post something that revives interest in it. What Lemmy needs are more users to increase activity.
New users are unlikely to be interested in immediately committing to creating and/or maintaining a community with regular posts and moderation over a long period of time, but might be willing to contribute to existing communities. Better to have dormant communities that can be revived than to have a lack of topics for new users to contribute to.
Counterpoint: a new user has a look around, see that a community on a topic hasn't been active for a month, they think this platform is dead.
While if they found that stale community, but with a pinned post to the active community on the same topic, it helps them to find active places.
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It doesn't need to be that complicated. Most communities can be requested on instance support communities.
What usually happens is
- community owner doesn't want to close it, even if it's inactive
- nobody cares enough to request that community
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
About closing stale communities, !fedigrow@lemmy.zip has regular initiatives to handle inactive communities and redirect to active ones.
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Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
-
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
-
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
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- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
Ummm, Nested Communities ?
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How does staggered new account permissions help deter bad actors in any way whatsoever? There's nothing preventing them from having a pipeline of accounts in aging.
It obviously wouldn't stop all of them, but it would stop some. Some people aren't that invested.
However, it would also stop a lot of new users.
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It doesn't need to be that complicated. Most communities can be requested on instance support communities.
What usually happens is
- community owner doesn't want to close it, even if it's inactive
- nobody cares enough to request that community
The issue with that is as you explained: it's up to the instance admins (who often don't care and/or are too busy to deal with it), and visibility due to it happening on instance support community is low.
Bake it into the service, and I guarantee you, average uptake of new moderators for stale communities will improve.
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I would take the bet. I've been discussing with other mods/community builders on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip for more than two years now. If someone isn't motivated enough to request the community on an instance community, they are not going to last long as mods. Not that it's a bad thing, moderating is not for everyone, but it still needs a bit of motivation.
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It does not take any funding to create accounts a few days in advance. Automating account creation is probably the most basic step in any troll's toolbox.
reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
Trolls who give up after a day aren't trolls, they're users having a bad day. And if they're stopping after a day, their impact on everybody else is miniscule.
On the OTHER hand, as everybody has pointed out, you're badly impacting the new user experience. Bullshit posting restrictions on reddit are one of the worst things they came up with. Let's not replicate all the user hostile stuff they implemented.
Ok, let’s take this a notch further then.
These are not just users having a bad day. In some cases these are repeat offenders or agitators who have been banned but want to come back.
There’s already a higher barrier to entry on a lot of instances. Back when I made this account, I had to apply for it, and it had to be manually approved.
On my OTHER hand, there is IMHO a problem with overactive mods on the larger communities. I’m seeing the same mods modding several 1k+ subscriber communities with very high activity, and they are supper trigger happy with permabans. Permabans without warning, without prior tempban, straight up permaban. This will drive a bunch of people mad and drive them to create new accounts on a different instance just to bypass the ban.
This in turn is causing inflation in the new signups too.
But a delay in being able to comment / post for new users would prevent ban-evasion, but equally, I would much prefer that mods can’t be getting such batshit workloads as volunteers making them more likely to be compassionate and not instantly go for nuclear options at the slightest sign of trouble.
It’s not straightforward of course, but I do appreciate the discourse we’re having here.
