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With the current situation with Tiktok, it's time for the Fediverse to rise.

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  • YerboutiY Yerbouti

    I know it can be challenging to convince people to migrate, but it’s crucial that we keep spreading awareness. I recently tried posting about decentralized alternatives on r/tiktok, but it seems the post was suppressed. I ended up sharing the same message as comments in relevant discussions instead.

    Even small actions matter. If each of us can introduce just three people to the Fediverse—and they do the same—we can create a ripple effect that drives real growth.

    Personally, alongside talking with my students, I’ve started running free workshops in Montreal on “deGAFAMing” your digital life. The first sessions had only 5–6 attendees, but the online version I’m hosting in February already has 30 registrations. I’ve even helped a small organization transition from Google Workspace to Nextcloud.

    No matter how small your action may seem, every effort counts. Keep sharing, keep inviting, keep building. The future of the internet depends on it.

    Here is a message aimed at tiktok users you could share around:

    *If we leave TikTok for another proprietary app, we're just moving from one walled garden to another. Sooner or later, the same issues—censorship, political control, or corporate takeover—will follow us there.

    That’s why we should try Loops instead. https://loops.video/

    Loops is a decentralized alternative. No single company, political group, or billionaire can buy it or control what you see. You own your space. You shape your feed. You keep your voice.

    Yes, Loops is smaller right now—and it might take a little time to adjust. But with your help, it will grow into the vibrant, free, and people-powered platform we deserve

    Here's a short video introduction the Fediverse and decentralized social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nno *

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    Skavau
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    #17

    Why are you replying with AI

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    • E emb@lemmy.world

      I heard briefly about this on Loops actually, lol. I wonder what's the story with it? Is it some big tech company's new product, a stand-alone startup? American or some other origin? Decentralized? Open source or proprietary?

      Not deadset on any of these as deal breakers, but would be nice if some aspects inspired confidence.

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      Yerbouti
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      #18

      It's open source and decentralized.

      I haven't really used it, since I'm not interested in that format, but I know tiktok is where the youngster are and I believe many of them are not as stuck-up as people of my generation.

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      • S Skavau

        Why are you replying with AI

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        Yerbouti
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        #19

        It's no AI. I write in french and use my translation software (Antidote) to translate and optimize my text. I actually know how to write pretty well, I just don't want to spend hours translating.

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        • YerboutiY Yerbouti

          It's no AI. I write in french and use my translation software (Antidote) to translate and optimize my text. I actually know how to write pretty well, I just don't want to spend hours translating.

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          Skavau
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          #20

          Ah, well unfortunately gives a deeply AI feel with how it translates it.

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          • S Skavau

            Ah, well unfortunately gives a deeply AI feel with how it translates it.

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            Yerbouti
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            #21

            Yeah, I guess it can do that. But as mentioned, I give workshops about the Fedi to young people, so I try to write information in an "appealing" way to them. Maybe I'm overdoing it.

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            • gustofwind@lemmy.worldG gustofwind@lemmy.world

              The alternatives to many of these services should be nothing

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              UnspecificGravity
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              #22

              For real. It feels like we are trying to sell people heroin as a less addictive alternative to morphine.

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              • U UnspecificGravity

                For real. It feels like we are trying to sell people heroin as a less addictive alternative to morphine.

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                cinoreus@lemmy.world
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                #23

                Exactly, fediverse tikrok gives a lot of "eco-friendly cigarette" vibes.

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                • F frongt@lemmy.zip

                  Good idea, how do you propose we do this

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                  Yerbouti
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                  #24

                  Oh, I just realized I've sent my reply to the wrong comment lol. Check out, my reply to frongt, it was intended for you.

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                  • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                    I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed, this is the Fedi, it's open to various opinions.

                    My problem with this is the same with all the proprietary platforms, the only thing that matters is the amount of money it can bring to investors. So when Bluesky gets popular enough, some rich douche will make sure to gain control over it and use it as a propaganda machine for the right, it's just a matter of time.

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                    silent9218@lemmy.zip
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                    That’s a very good point. Hopefully the underlying openness of the AT protocol enables homebrewed alternatives where you can simply port your account over, though the threat of this seems like a non-issue for activity pub from the start.

                    I’ve just installed the loops beta on iOS. I don’t really care for short form video content in general but here’s to hoping open social media can become more mainstream.

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                    • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                      Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                      In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                      I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                      So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                      artyom
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                      #26

                      It's like 20 years past time.

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                      • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                        Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                        In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                        I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                        So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                        cinoreus@lemmy.world
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                        Truth is, fediverse's more fragile than people wanna Admit, that's my opinion from using it for a week. Firstly, everything works on grants and donations, there's no for profit model that's running these servers. That's bad because running social media is expensive.

                        Second fediverse's still utility first, user experience second priority. there's no recommendation algorithm on mastodon or most other fediverse servers.

                        Third, this is coming from a security stand point, fediverse is vulnerable to both centralised architecture, and decentralised architecture attacks.

                        Also it's just, for 90% of people, if they want to have a website like tiktok, they will just go to tiktok. Especially in case of tiktok. Very few people want to try stuff that's not as fully baked as corporate owned social media

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                        • S silent9218@lemmy.zip

                          That’s a very good point. Hopefully the underlying openness of the AT protocol enables homebrewed alternatives where you can simply port your account over, though the threat of this seems like a non-issue for activity pub from the start.

                          I’ve just installed the loops beta on iOS. I don’t really care for short form video content in general but here’s to hoping open social media can become more mainstream.

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                          Yerbouti
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                          I’ve just installed the loops beta on iOS. I don’t really care for short form video content in general but here’s to hoping open social media can become more mainstream.

                          Same. Not my bag but if we can get a peak in registrations, that might help to promote the app.

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                          • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                            Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                            In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                            I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                            So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                            Bandito Chihuahua
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                            I’ve been using Skylight Social for a while. It uses BlueSky’s AT Protocol. A little glitchy, but has plenty of activity.

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                            • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                              It's open source and decentralized.

                              I haven't really used it, since I'm not interested in that format, but I know tiktok is where the youngster are and I believe many of them are not as stuck-up as people of my generation.

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                              emb@lemmy.world
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                              Is it? That got my interest, but I can't find mention of it on their site or FAQ

                              (I know Loops is, maybe I wasn't clear but I was meaning to ask about the other one.)

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                              • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                                In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                                I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                                So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                                Oh, yeah. Loops recently started doing a recommended algorithm and I haven't opened it up for a while to see how that's going. Cuz my two main issues with it has been a lack of variety in content due to the low user count, and the complete inability to find anything I might actually like.

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                                • E emb@lemmy.world

                                  I think they've really dropped the ball not having Loops do some kind of soft re-launch this week. We've known the changeover was coming, there probably won't be a better moment than this to tell anyone "Hey, Loops is an alternative if you're leaving".

                                  Not having a ready to download app in any store, even F-Droid, is such a shame. IMO, short form video makes more sense on worse platforms like a mobile phone. (I'm observing, not complaining too much - it's not like I rolled up my sleeves and contributed.)

                                  For anyone that wants to make videos, every category is wide open. If you're making anything compelling (outside maybe Linux and politics), there's not much competition. Claim your spotlights now.

                                  If anyone that makes videos on Loops reads this: I'm begging you, please put captions on your videos. Most of my 'doomscrolling on the phone' time doesn't happen in situations where turning the volume up is convenient/appropriate.

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                                  subarctictundra@lemmy.ml
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                                  That's the problem, since open source projects have no stable income and no profit incentive, there's no one person to make tactical, executive decisions for the good of the project like these. I'm saying this because if open source ever wants to become a serious, competitive alternative (ie. have people turn to it out of convenience (90% of ppl) and not ideology or foresight (10% of ppl)), this is a weakness it's going to have to engineer a solution to. I genuinely think you have to play the game to beat the game.

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                                    Truth is, fediverse's more fragile than people wanna Admit, that's my opinion from using it for a week. Firstly, everything works on grants and donations, there's no for profit model that's running these servers. That's bad because running social media is expensive.

                                    Second fediverse's still utility first, user experience second priority. there's no recommendation algorithm on mastodon or most other fediverse servers.

                                    Third, this is coming from a security stand point, fediverse is vulnerable to both centralised architecture, and decentralised architecture attacks.

                                    Also it's just, for 90% of people, if they want to have a website like tiktok, they will just go to tiktok. Especially in case of tiktok. Very few people want to try stuff that's not as fully baked as corporate owned social media

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                                    subarctictundra@lemmy.ml
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                                    Yup

                                    https://lemmy.ml/comment/23599456

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                                    • E emb@lemmy.world

                                      Is it? That got my interest, but I can't find mention of it on their site or FAQ

                                      (I know Loops is, maybe I wasn't clear but I was meaning to ask about the other one.)

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                                      Yerbouti
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                                      Oh, I was talking about Loops, I have no clue about upscroll...

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                                      • LughL Lugh

                                        Why isn't the fediverse more popular? At futurology.today we have the benefit of also moderating r/futurology on reddit, which has 21.6 million subscribers. Out of the tens of thousands of people who've read our posts about the fediverse site, only a few hundred have signed up. Most of our subscribers are from elsewhere in the fediverse.

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                                        Regarding the Threadiverse in general, it seems that (1) many people find having to choose an instance first to be very confusing (not applicable to your situation I guess), (2) upon arrival these primarily Western people immediately see content proposing the murder of Westerners and demolition of the entire Western culture, whereupon they nope right back out (can you blame them?) and then complain bitterly about their toxic experiences here on other platforms, including Reddit and Bluesky and X.

                                        Most of us forget how extensive our blocklists here have grown to be over time, and how much effort we put into Linux levels of tinkering to discover communities we like while blocking content we do not.

                                        If I am wrong then please ignore me, but it's a thought to consider.

                                        Of course mostly it's a network effect, so I am speaking about issues that we might actually be able to do something about.

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                                        • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                          I know it can be challenging to convince people to migrate, but it’s crucial that we keep spreading awareness. I recently tried posting about decentralized alternatives on r/tiktok, but it seems the post was suppressed. I ended up sharing the same message as comments in relevant discussions instead.

                                          Even small actions matter. If each of us can introduce just three people to the Fediverse—and they do the same—we can create a ripple effect that drives real growth.

                                          Personally, alongside talking with my students, I’ve started running free workshops in Montreal on “deGAFAMing” your digital life. The first sessions had only 5–6 attendees, but the online version I’m hosting in February already has 30 registrations. I’ve even helped a small organization transition from Google Workspace to Nextcloud.

                                          No matter how small your action may seem, every effort counts. Keep sharing, keep inviting, keep building. The future of the internet depends on it.

                                          Here is a message aimed at tiktok users you could share around:

                                          *If we leave TikTok for another proprietary app, we're just moving from one walled garden to another. Sooner or later, the same issues—censorship, political control, or corporate takeover—will follow us there.

                                          That’s why we should try Loops instead. https://loops.video/

                                          Loops is a decentralized alternative. No single company, political group, or billionaire can buy it or control what you see. You own your space. You shape your feed. You keep your voice.

                                          Yes, Loops is smaller right now—and it might take a little time to adjust. But with your help, it will grow into the vibrant, free, and people-powered platform we deserve

                                          Here's a short video introduction the Fediverse and decentralized social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nno *

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                                          Every single person that I've told about Lemmy has outright scolded me for having mentioned it to them. I may have lost a couple of acquaintance connections even as a result.

                                          When people Google search for "Lemmy" or otherwise get taken to lemmy.ml (didn't someone say that the so-called "random" instance picker chose either it or hexbear like 90% of the time?), see the content calling for murder of Westerners and the demise of Western civilization, is it any wonder that they choose not to come here, or if they create an account, to not remain?

                                          Their preferences matter - to themselves at the very least, even if not to our instance admins that do not want to block it out so that potential new joiners won't have to see it presented with zero warning or any distinction at all that it may differ from any of the other content in this place.

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