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‘Everybody’s at each other’s throats’: James Cameron says he has left the US permanently

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  • W wonderingwanderer

    I mean, remaining on a sinking ship doesn't save anyone else from drowning. Some people have a life raft, I can't blame them for using it. I would get out if I could, cause things don't seem to be getting better anytime soon except on the off chance the midterms actually save us.

    Ideally, the folks getting away on the life rafts wouldn't be determined by how much money they have. Maybe send the most vulnerable first, and the people with the means to resist stay behind. But that's not how this situation works, unfortunately.

    It's a crabs-in-a-bucket situation. Why pull down the ones who can escape?

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    ronl2k@lemmy.world
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    I mean, remaining on a sinking ship doesn’t save anyone else from drowning.

    If you think America is a sinking ship, what does that indicate about the continued safety of NZ?

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    • T taldan@lemmy.world

      If he stays in the US, he would continue paying takes to the US government. By leaving he is taking away tax dollars

      What benefit is there in him staying? What could he only do from within the US?

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      ronl2k@lemmy.world
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      What benefit is there in him staying?

      He would continue receiving millions in free Hollywood media attention to keep him relevant. He'll soon be forgotten in NZ, just like George Clooney and Rosie O'Donnell.

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      • T taldan@lemmy.world

        There are relatively easy paths out. If you're young enough, Canada offers a working holiday visa program

        I was able to save enough and do it while working as a line cook. The most expensive part is physically moving

        We should be celebrating other people leaving. It hurts the regime.

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        outerspace@lemmy.zip
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        Lots of people left russia before and after the war started, it doesn't hurt enough. Government was actually ok with that.

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        • O outerspace@lemmy.zip

          Lots of people left russia before and after the war started, it doesn't hurt enough. Government was actually ok with that.

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          outerspace@lemmy.zip
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          A million people left https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)

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          • T taldan@lemmy.world

            That's probably the one area where he comes off most as a douche. He's notoriously demanding to work with

            He also, earlier on, had a history of less safe practices

            But I'd put him as one of the few wealthy people that actually created something others can't. His movies are a creation of his own. Not the result of inevitable scientific advancement

            OpenAI/ChatGPT was the result inevitable scientific advancement. The game changer was a publicly published academic paper (by a Google researcher), not anything Sam Altman or OpenAI did. Same can be said about a lot of modern products that created our wealthiest billionaires

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            ronl2k@lemmy.world
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            His movies are a creation of his own. Not the result of inevitable scientific advancement

            Are you seriously claiming that Cameron made his movies without scientific advancements? Cameron used the result of hundreds of technical advancements and patents in order to make his movies. He didn't invent movie-making.

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            • R ronl2k@lemmy.world

              I mean, remaining on a sinking ship doesn’t save anyone else from drowning.

              If you think America is a sinking ship, what does that indicate about the continued safety of NZ?

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              wonderingwanderer
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              Huh? New Zealand is in much better shape than america.

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              • snapz@lemmy.worldS snapz@lemmy.world

                Substantiate to what end, Your Honor? Timeline is all public of their layoff timelines in their reality labs division, the partnership with Cameron on same work and the proximity between the two.

                Can you substantiate what you're now going to do with this information, detective?

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                ohulancutash@feddit.uk
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                You’re mistaking correlation for causation?

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                  aim_at_me@lemmy.nz
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                  Yeah. And as a kiwi it kinda pisses me off that we let wealthy Americans in. I'd rather it was a generic visa program than a pay-to-play.

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                  • A aim_at_me@lemmy.nz

                    Yeah. And as a kiwi it kinda pisses me off that we let wealthy Americans in. I'd rather it was a generic visa program than a pay-to-play.

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                    Maeve
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                    100% I hear you! Whatever happened to Helen Clark btw?

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                    • T taldan@lemmy.world

                      He can still speak out just as well

                      Money is also the #1 thing this adminitration cares about. Cameron taking him money, businesses, and most importantly tax dollars to NZ and Canada instead is the most impactful individual action he could do

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                      carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works
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                      #89

                      Giving an interview with what sounds like a both sidesism is not helpful in a speaking out sense. As for taxes is production companies are still California based and his distributor is still 20th Century Fox.

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                      • O ohulancutash@feddit.uk

                        You mean aside from deepthroated support for genocide, right?

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                        optissima@lemmy.world
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                        Wait who is supportive of genocide that isn't a conservative??

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                        • B bowtiesarecool@lemmy.world

                          Generally comments on Facebook. I was seeing vitriolic death shit around the Charlie Kirk stuff but extended. Everyone in the comments telling each other to die and threatening. It was gross. Driven by bots it gets everyone worked up. Since the ICE “crackdown” though it seems to be just racists vs sensible people, and I’m glad for that.

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                          optissima@lemmy.world
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                          I did see a lot of people who were glad or even gleeful he wasn't spouting his vitriol and died in a way he explicitly approved of, but I'm not on facebook so I didn't see people making threats at each other. That being said, I know that people both to the right and left of Kirk hated him, so it's very possible all the hate being spewed was from the right. Seeing as how since the ICE surge isn't getting the same level of vitriol, I think it's safe to say that most of those weren't people that weren't "left" in any sense of the imagination, or just bots.

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                          • M mech@feddit.org

                            You're describing a valid criticism of Capitalism, which I share 100%.
                            I just don't think that translates well to a direct guilt for Cameron.
                            He couldn't have brought his movies to the screen if he didn't work within this system.
                            Of course now that he's been successful, he could definitely donate his wealth.

                            On the other hand, I could also donate all $50k of my life savings without starving, while others are currently starving.
                            And I'm not going to do it. I carry the same type of guilt, only with lower numbers.

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                            optissima@lemmy.world
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                            I think Keanu Reeves and the Matrix is a good example of being in the system and sharing within it.

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                              peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world
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                              The whole country is doing a Titanic.

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                              • optissima@lemmy.worldO optissima@lemmy.world

                                Wait who is supportive of genocide that isn't a conservative??

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                                ohulancutash@feddit.uk
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                                Start with this shower.

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                                • E ecvanalog@lemmy.world

                                  Must be nice to have the ability to do it.

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                                  He is literally not American

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                                  • O oshaghennessey@lemmy.world

                                    Fuck that. Get your able-bodied ass back here and help us fix this shit, you coward!

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                                    wrote last edited by hamid@crazypeople.online
                                    #96

                                    He is in fact a Canadian from Canada. Do you think everyone who left Nazi Germany in the 30s was a coward?

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                                    • O ohulancutash@feddit.uk

                                      Start with this shower.

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                                      optissima@lemmy.world
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                                      Those are conservatives, they're just lying about it. The act of supporting genocide immediately places you in that group.

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                                      • R ratel@mander.xyz

                                        ITT: People mad that Canadian celebrity won't stay in the US and fix it.

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                                        ITT: People who don't know that most immigrants around the world are in fact poor people

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                                        • C carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works

                                          "At each other's throats?" 30% of the country is behaving like Nazis, others are calling them on it, and a disturbing percentage are silent. Yes I suppose more people could be silent to help preserve his feelings.

                                          He has the money and platform to speak out. Instead he leaves.

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                                          Dr. Moose
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                                          As a professional scuba diver I think his ocean-related work is much more important than America. Sorry guys but the world doesn't revolve around you.

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