1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay
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I agree, and I think it's a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it's simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.
At the end of the day it shouldn't matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.
Sadly piefed isnt innocent either, they are trying to poison the AP protocol: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
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Yeah, agreed. The one thing the platforms you see that aren't YouTube that creators actually use have in common is financial incentive. Nebula is the best example here. Creators get a cut and have more creative freedom, so they actually use it and try to direct their audience to it for bonus content, which seems to actually work. Patreon is similar for a lot of creators, letting them put out additional content with fewer restrictions and letting them get more income from their viewers.
Some people also seem to have some success with independent platforms. If you look at like a Dropout or Viva Plus, these are both putting stuff out on YouTube and then drawing users in with subscriptions, and that seems to be a sound model.
But Peertube produces zero dollars for creators, which means they have no incentive to push users there. In fact, they're incentivized to avoid doing so because there are other platforms that will actually pay them if they can direct traffic there. Peertube lacks both the money-making side of things and the exposure side of things, so there's no real reason to use it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something independent like Peertube take off, but the model doesn't really work.
But you can have metrics with subscriptions/likes/comments and you could get revenue through sponsorship. Also it would avoid censorship.
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My main issue with peertube is that I find it confusing. Its not self contained in the sense on how to subscribe to channels or people. AFAIK you also need a mastodon account for it and to jump through some hoops to subscribe to a creator.
You don't need a mastodon account, you can have a peertube account but finding an instance with open registration and that integrates sepia (the peertube fediverse search engine) isn't straightforward. You can try peerate.fr
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Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code
Also piefed violates basic compatibility in fediverse: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
I'm having troubld findinv good peertube instances, anyone have any recs?
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Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn't have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don't have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
Are these features available on mobile apps? Because I mostly use Lemmy on Jerboa
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It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Deb's a tankie with the most bullshit oppinions ever seen on earth.
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Is there a federated version, either in the works or planned? Because otherwise, Stoat is the only option.
Yes
Matrix
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It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Are you referring to !fediverse@lemmy.world? This wasn't posted by the mods.
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Excuse me that's transphobic and covid denying.
Bullshit, you are lying.
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Yes
Matrix
Matrix just isn't up to it. It doesn't feel like Discord at all. It hasn't taken off in any meaningful way.
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PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.
And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there's an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.
Because I'm sure "they'll" come and rage here once they see this post I'll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they've got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.
And also most of the things you said are simply wrong.
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I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
If I make posts promoting Lemmy on reddit it gets a lot of criticism in the comments becose of the above reasons, so I promote PieFed instead.
You don't need to recommend Lemmy as a software in general. It's better to recommend a specific instance which matches the target audience.
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This comm is often full of comments pushing lemmy alternatives, with PieFed being the new frontrunner.
You'd think the post here would include Lemmy, which I believe is still the most active platform
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Matrix just isn't up to it. It doesn't feel like Discord at all. It hasn't taken off in any meaningful way.
None of those really "feel like" the things they're replacing. I don't really even think that should be the goal. They occupy the same space, though, and the infographic would look stupid if it showed all the options in some category, so they just picked a popular proprietary/centralized one, and a popular federated alternative in the same category. In this case discord is a popular chat app, and the most popular federa chat app afaict is matrix.
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Its up to you. They are different software but both read lemmy and Piefed communities and instances.
ok thanks. sorry someone downvoted you
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
"But if you have a shitty attitude stay where you are"
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It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Because so many keep getting told it's by tankies and stop thinking immediately after that
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Bookwyrm is cool, it just needs more attention and interaction. It would be cool if it could expand into other forms of media (games, movies) like NeoDB, which again feels like posting into the void.
