Bluesky just verified ICE
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Eh. I don't use bsky, and think most current ICE staff should be imprisoned for terrorism for the rest of their lives, but I don't want any communications services to decide which entities should and shouldn't be verified. That's how you end up with power-tripping mods, propaganda bubbles, and censorship (exactly what fascists are doing with X, fb, tiktok, etc).
The goal should be an open protocol where users/orgs can sign messages cryptographically (like PGP) and every other user can decide which users, feeds, or algos they subscribe to without censorship. Like, if I subscribe to my friends and family (trusted sources), or friends of friends, I don't want any form of moderation between them and me, but the freedom to sub to moderated topics is also necessary for public (untrusted sources) feeds/comms.
On one hand I see your point. On t'other, we've tried complete neutrality and it failed, maybe it's time for a communications platform where we hold people to a standard?
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This makes ICE much easier to block.
The block log is public. It's basically giving uncle Sam a list of targets to hit next.
Instead burn the bridge connecting to bsky, or ignore the account clientside which is not public.
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Eh. I don't use bsky, and think most current ICE staff should be imprisoned for terrorism for the rest of their lives, but I don't want any communications services to decide which entities should and shouldn't be verified. That's how you end up with power-tripping mods, propaganda bubbles, and censorship (exactly what fascists are doing with X, fb, tiktok, etc).
The goal should be an open protocol where users/orgs can sign messages cryptographically (like PGP) and every other user can decide which users, feeds, or algos they subscribe to without censorship. Like, if I subscribe to my friends and family (trusted sources), or friends of friends, I don't want any form of moderation between them and me, but the freedom to sub to moderated topics is also necessary for public (untrusted sources) feeds/comms.
So you want a Nazi bar. Ok.
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It's a good thing they get verified. It means they can not take back anything they post and they have to take accountability for the account.
Do you think it would be better if they didn't verify it and let them spread misinformation and propaganda with plausible deniability?
It would be better if they wouldn't even be platformed at all. We don't need no federation with Nazis.
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Why are people so max about this?
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As they should. You only get a ban after you break their rules.
Posting propaganda for a terrorist organization engaged in widespread public abuse is against their rules, do they allow official verified pages for groups like ISIS or Boko Harem?
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Yeah, so? Verification just means they are who they say they are. It doesn't mean Bluesky endorses their posts.
The White House has a verified Bluesky account, too. They haven't posted anything in months, though, presumably because of all the ratio-ing.
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The block log is public. It's basically giving uncle Sam a list of targets to hit next.
Instead burn the bridge connecting to bsky, or ignore the account clientside which is not public.
Itβs basically giving uncle Sam a list of targets to hit next.
How, exactly? Even if you use your real name as your username (which no one does), unless it's very uncommon, that still won't uniquely identify you.
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You know that the problem isnβt that theyβre verifying the gestapo, itβs that theyβre platforming and subsequently legitimising them.
theyβre platforming and subsequently legitimising them.
You could make that argument about them being allowed to have an account at all, but simply marking that account in such a way that informs the userbase that it's not a troll/parody account or something, but the actual organization?
That doesn't "platform" them, they're already on the platform at the time this happened. And confirming that something asserted to be true, is in fact true, is a good thing.
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If ICE tried to verify their account on Lemmy it would be permabanned instantly
Might depend what instance. They wouldn't try to verify on db0 because yes, they would be banned instantly with prejudice. They would probably just hop on Lemmy.world or something.
Furthermore, it would be better if the US Government just put up their own instance. Let each instance decide whether or not to federate with them, and let users decide if they want to follow them or not.
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I don't think anyone impersonating gestapo would post anything worse than they already do, so there's no damage there
You haven't been on the Internet very long, huh?
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The block log is public. It's basically giving uncle Sam a list of targets to hit next.
Instead burn the bridge connecting to bsky, or ignore the account clientside which is not public.
Lemmy blocks are really just mutes. On mastodon, admins can see if you blocked someone.
The fediverse really isn't better in this regard.
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The new corporate platform is just as problematic as the old corporate platform made by the same person? Wow, what a revelation.
Jack Dorsey has little involvement in bluesky.
He rage quit the board of directors after they started moderating content.
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Bsky is actually quite centralized. Bluesky the company owns the only full-network indexer (I think they call it a "relay" or something), which collects posts from all other servers and allows those posts to be rendered by various apps (e.g. bsky.app, but all other frontends use the same indexer). They could just ban them at indexer level.
But even that is moot, because they are letting them host their account on a server Bluesky the company owns, bsky.social.
There's another relay: https://atproto.africa/ .
Relays don't index posts, they collect them from different servers, and provide a "firehouse" of events.
You can crawl pdses directly, akin to the fediverse. AppViewLite does this (and is lightweight enough to run on a phone).
You don't need a relay or appview with https://reddwarf.app/ .
The fediverse also has relays.
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If ICE tried to verify their account on Lemmy it would be permabanned instantly
I don't ban anyone or any instance in my own instance, so no they cannot be "parammanned" from Lemmy. That's not how it works and why i like Lemmy and its principles.
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Block them if you want. Block lists are public so... use caution.
There are MANY government accounts on Blusky. I think if they did not verify them, the government would find someone to buy them or shut them down. Use your heads here.
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On paper it's a government agency which would normally be allowed to have verification.
However it is a government agency functioning more like a hate group, right now very inimical to the concept and idea of civil rights (already enshrined as law), and hostile to diversity and social justice; with absolutely no regulation of its activities, it is an agency mandated directly by the executive to remove anyone who is not white and Christian.
Unfortunately, Bluesky still has to verify them.
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Why are people so max about this?
Because they want corporations to do their job for them of holding the government accountable.
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You know that the problem isnβt that theyβre verifying the gestapo, itβs that theyβre platforming and subsequently legitimising them.
Wake up. Ice, being government, it's already legitimized enough in real life.
What difference would it make in the social media. Better if they are out in the open in social media instead, at least they get responsible for what they post, officially.
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Posting propaganda for a terrorist organization engaged in widespread public abuse is against their rules, do they allow official verified pages for groups like ISIS or Boko Harem?
They havenβt posted anything yet.
βOfficial verifiedβ isnβt a thing on bluesky. Itβs self-verification, just means you own the domain.
Most western governments are terrorist. Can you name an administration that isnβt guilty of war crimes? Should they all be automatically blocked from socials?
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