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Rhea Seehorn Wins Golden Globe for Best Actress in a TV Drama "Pluribus"

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  • S scrion@lemmy.world

    You're not supposed to like Carol Sturka, so great - the writing worked.

    I consider Pluribus to be one the really great shows in the last decade, and I also do not like Carol. Often, I'm annoyed by her actions, and once or twice I was really pissed at how she interacted with the Others, because IMHO, there was just so much unnecessary hostility, or she was just being a dense cunt.

    Why would a movie, a TV show or a play require the audience to like the protagonist? Outside of these fictional depictions, I'd probably not be acquainted with someone like Carol - but here, I want to watch her. I want to see how she deals with the overall situation, how choices made by someone who is fundamentally different from me play out, how she grows as a character, how she overcomes her flaws, of which there are many, or how she might completely fail. There even is the option I eventually grow to like her. Wouldn't that be great, an actual character arc?

    Carol is an alcoholic who doubts her self-worth and has just lost her love, a death which she directly blames on what she considers to be the alien invaders she now has to interact with on a daily basis. She was also recently promoted to one of the greatest mass murderers in history and the isolation she suffered as consequence of her actions made her realize she really can't exist in complete solitude, leading to a complex relationship with an entity she wants to hate. I think she deserves some jagged edges.

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    GreyEyedGhost
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    This is great science fiction. All good science fiction asks a question, which is essentially, "What would it be like for people if the world were like this?" It can be a small thing, like a decision to have everyone die at a certain age, or in this case, what if everyone else was part of a group/hive mind. This gives you a space to explore the human condition, sometimes to the point of what even is a person. One of the knock-on effects is, this strongly independent person gets to realize she is and has always been dependent on multitudes of people she never even sees, just like us. That's what civilization is, and they spend just a few minutes on that particular part in the second episode, perhaps elsewhere (I'm on episode 3). It's an uncomfortable thought for some people, particularly Americans and their fierce individuality. And it's very clear from the name on out that individuality is going to be the subject of the entire show. It's a pretty relevant topic in our increasingly connected and interdependent world.

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    • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

      Those awards are an industry trying to remain relevant. None one in that universe of Vince Gilligan would win anything without Vince Gilligan's writing and directing.

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      Stern
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      #43

      Which, again, doesn't change the fact that folks who get them earn more money after doing so.

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        selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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        #44

        No, not a comedy. Or a bad comedy and she a lousy comedian. She acts on the verge because it's a fringe situation starting simultaneously with loosing her SO, it didn't seem weird to me. Also, as I'm watching it, not a drama, maybe a sad satire. Entertaining until now.

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          Skavau
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          I don't really care what Wikipedia says. It just flat out isn't a comedy. That it has some comedic elements doesn't make it a comedy.

          Also, IMDB keywords system is worse than awful dude. It has no oversight. I once saw a Sonic the Hedgehog show tagged as Cyberpunk.

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            tetris11@feddit.uk
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            #46

            I'm hoping she grows in the next season, but not holding my breath

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            • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

              Well no, she got a healthy fan base and a big paycheck from Better Call Saul, and hundreds of job offers.

              These stupid awards are not important.

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              artyom
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              #47

              They might not be important to you, but they are important to a lot of people, first and foremost to the recipients they honor.

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              • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

                Those awards are an industry trying to remain relevant. None one in that universe of Vince Gilligan would win anything without Vince Gilligan's writing and directing.

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                artyom
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                #48

                And VG wouldn't win anything without their acting.

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                • S Skavau

                  I don't really care what Wikipedia says. It just flat out isn't a comedy. That it has some comedic elements doesn't make it a comedy.

                  Also, IMDB keywords system is worse than awful dude. It has no oversight. I once saw a Sonic the Hedgehog show tagged as Cyberpunk.

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                  shbi7368@sh.itjust.works
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                  Lol cyberpunk

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                  • S shbi7368@sh.itjust.works

                    Lol cyberpunk

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                    shbi7368@sh.itjust.works
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                    #50

                    LOL
                    /blade runner music/
                    /dooommmm/

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                    • D DagwoodIII

                      I rewatched Season 1 of Severance in the runup to Season 2.

                      If a show is strong, a rewatch enhances the experience. You notice details you might have missed.

                      I mean, how many people here post about how many times they've seen LOTR?

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                      selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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                      Sadly, most of the time, second seasons are lately sucking big time.

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                      • S selokichtli@lemmy.ml

                        Sadly, most of the time, second seasons are lately sucking big time.

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                        DagwoodIII
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                        #52

                        I can strongly recommend 'Severance'

                        Season 2 had some wild stuff, and set up Season 3 very well.

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                          Pffffttttt!!! You have it easy!!! I've been waiting nearly a quarter century for season two of the best big damn heroes show ever made. No end for the wait in sight, I'm afraid.

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                          Ricky Rigatoni
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                          Teen titans had 5 seasons

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                          • Z z3rOR0ne

                            Lol, no, I meant the book series. Totally agree on the show, that actually did deserve way more time in the oven to cook.

                            All I'm pointing out is the waiting game can get ridiculous like waiting over a decade for an author to create, granted, a very well done story, while said author goes off to work on other shit cuz he got bored or intimidated or whatever.

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                            Ronan
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                            Regardinf GoT, they could’ve also just waited until the books’ story had finished. It was a risk they took.

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                            • F flexibletoast@lemmy.world

                              The problem this show will have is the same problem all Apple+ shows have. We'll have to wait multiple years for season 2 and we'll have forgotten what happened in season 1 or just forget about the show entirely.

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                              Ankkuli
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                              Slow Horses doesn’t exist?

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                              • artyomA artyom

                                They might not be important to you, but they are important to a lot of people, first and foremost to the recipients they honor.

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                                djsoren19
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                                My parents both have an Emmy.

                                Mom can't find work in the industry anymore, she got cut by execs that want to go all in on AI. I think my dad keeps his in the bathroom. Both of them would rather have gotten better pay or a bonus than the statuette.

                                I think you've gotta be really vain to care that much about the award.

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                                • Ricky RigatoniR Ricky Rigatoni

                                  Teen titans had 5 seasons

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                                  Four of which had them fighting over the last slice of pizza (yeah, I know that was GO!).

                                  However, I was referring to Firefly.

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                                  • D djsoren19

                                    My parents both have an Emmy.

                                    Mom can't find work in the industry anymore, she got cut by execs that want to go all in on AI. I think my dad keeps his in the bathroom. Both of them would rather have gotten better pay or a bonus than the statuette.

                                    I think you've gotta be really vain to care that much about the award.

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                                    artyom
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                                    Oh well if it didn't work out for your parents, that must mean noone cares.

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                                    • D DagwoodIII

                                      I can strongly recommend 'Severance'

                                      Season 2 had some wild stuff, and set up Season 3 very well.

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                                      selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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                                      I'm including Severance. First season was top TV for me, second season was okay, but not at the level I expected.

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                                      • S scrion@lemmy.world

                                        You're not supposed to like Carol Sturka, so great - the writing worked.

                                        I consider Pluribus to be one the really great shows in the last decade, and I also do not like Carol. Often, I'm annoyed by her actions, and once or twice I was really pissed at how she interacted with the Others, because IMHO, there was just so much unnecessary hostility, or she was just being a dense cunt.

                                        Why would a movie, a TV show or a play require the audience to like the protagonist? Outside of these fictional depictions, I'd probably not be acquainted with someone like Carol - but here, I want to watch her. I want to see how she deals with the overall situation, how choices made by someone who is fundamentally different from me play out, how she grows as a character, how she overcomes her flaws, of which there are many, or how she might completely fail. There even is the option I eventually grow to like her. Wouldn't that be great, an actual character arc?

                                        Carol is an alcoholic who doubts her self-worth and has just lost her love, a death which she directly blames on what she considers to be the alien invaders she now has to interact with on a daily basis. She was also recently promoted to one of the greatest mass murderers in history and the isolation she suffered as consequence of her actions made her realize she really can't exist in complete solitude, leading to a complex relationship with an entity she wants to hate. I think she deserves some jagged edges.

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                                        apollosarrow@lemmy.world
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                                        It’s in line with his writing style. You had Walt and then Saul, neither of which were good people. You could argue by the end of BCS, that Jimmy finally found his heart. VG likes to play with complex humans and he’s good at it.

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                                        • S selokichtli@lemmy.ml

                                          I'm including Severance. First season was top TV for me, second season was okay, but not at the level I expected.

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                                          DagwoodIII
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                                          Agree to disagree.

                                          I felt like they kept the quality high and I look forward to Season 3.

                                          I just finished a Netflix series you might enjoy. The Lazarus Project. It does get a bit silly at times, but overall it's exciting and interesting. I suggest you skip the blurbs and dive right in without expectations.

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