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No wonder Reddit has turned to shit

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  • T TWeaK

    For it to happen in the Fediverse AI would have to be training on the Fediverse.

    That's what this post is about. Using reddit to plant comments that AI trains on, and subsequently getting AI to spit out your answer to questions it's asked.

    As such this can happen anywhere where AI is being trained. The issue is with how AI is training, not with how websites it trains on are being operated.

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    ultranaut@lemmy.world
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    #92

    There isn't really any reason to think the Fediverse won't be used for AI training, if it isn't already. Everything is in the open here, it's easy enough to scrape all the data.

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    • J jmill@lemmy.zip

      My god. Somehow I hadn't thought of doctors using LLMs to make decisions like that. But of course at least some do.

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      general_effort@lemmy.world
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      #93

      You never want to know how the sausage is made.

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      • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

        Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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        cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
        wrote last edited by
        #94

        Nahhhh. When ads are clever or funny its fine. This lower effort bullshit need to die

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        • M MotoAsh

          Who is the 'good' actor in this 'capitalism' thing?

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          tomiant
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          #95

          It's more of a technical concept within the lore than an actual character.

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          • saarthS saarth

            Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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            sudoer777@lemmy.ml
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            #96

            Reddit feels like Quora at this point with all the affiliate links and promotions

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            • saarthS saarth

              Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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              rumba@lemmy.zip
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              #97

              That entire fucking add was just lazily written by an AI.

              "Developer" can't be bothered to add "don't to use emoji or bullet points in prompts and dont add a summary and def don't add a second summary at the end?

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              • T TWeaK

                It's a grift, but it's extra steps. It's not about affecting the experience on reddit, but for AI users. They use reddit to plant answers, which AI then trains on and regurgitates later.

                Eventually the reddit thread would probably balance out, and incorrect information should get downvoted and replaced by corrections from people who know better. However AI might not account for this and could still spit out the planted information. It's this delicate manipulation that this LinkedIn Lunatic is bragging about here.

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                jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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                #98

                So it's more of a circle jerk for people who can't provide anything useful and have to pretend they have value. Seems like it's just putting more effort into not working than just doing the work itself.

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                • john_tJ john_t

                  There's no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won't carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.

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                  Schadrach
                  wrote last edited by schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
                  #99

                  There’s no algorithm to be played in the fediverse.

                  There presumably is. Some metric decides visibility on the feeds. That algorithm not being based on corporate profitability doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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                  • saarthS saarth

                    Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                    herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml
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                    #100

                    Reddit has been agressively banning data dumps of the Epstein files.

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                    • saarthS saarth

                      Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                      theseveraljourneysofreemus@lemmy.world
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                      #101

                      The linkedin writing format must be banned, exhausting, unreadable and way too self important. It's not a haiku write like a normal person you lunatic. Also these bots are destroying public forums, don't expect any praise from me.

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                      • A allzeitbereit@feddit.uk

                        It'll happen in the Fediverse too.

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                        brendansimms@lemmy.world
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                        #102

                        Not if you use NORD VPN ™, fellow human. NORD VPN ™ guarantees filtering of astroturfing comments made by LLMs! Thats right - NORD VPN ™ does the following:

                        • Filters out comments made by LLMs
                        • Does not sell your data
                        • Filters out comments made by LLMs
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                        • A allzeitbereit@feddit.uk

                          It'll happen in the Fediverse too.

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                          wrote last edited by umbrella@lemmy.ml
                          #103

                          yeah, i havent seen anyone come up with a solution so far. nobody really seems to know when i bring it up.

                          usually some implication the problem is gonna solve itself. we might be fucked. eventually.

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                          • K kahnclusions@lemmy.ca

                            100% written by an LLM. They always use this tone and it’s infuriating.

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                            ByteOnBikes
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                            #104

                            People who abuse GenAI no longer can tell when the shit they post look like GenAI. They only talk to AI so it looks normal to them.

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                            • saarthS saarth

                              Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                              snazz@lemmy.world
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                              #105

                              What a self report. This guy is complicit in turning the age of information into the age of propaganda.

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                              • lechekaflanL lechekaflan

                                More than a decade and a half later and pretentious SEO fanatics still fucking make my eyes roll.

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                                lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                                #106

                                Never forget that the morally correct thing to do if you happen to meet one of these people it to punch them in the mouth.

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                                • M munkisquisher@lemmy.nz

                                  That's one of the signs of LLM output, take any idea and have it flesh it out into short article. It'll bullet point the crap out of it

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                                  lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                                  #107

                                  LLMs learned it by watching these idiots.

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                                  • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

                                    Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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                                    valkyre09@lemmy.world
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                                    #108

                                    I get the feeling you and Bill Hicks would have gotten along: https://youtu.be/9h9wStdPkQY

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                                    • john_tJ john_t

                                      There's no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won't carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.

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                                      sl00k@programming.dev
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                                      #109

                                      The Hot ordering is itself an algorithm.

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                                      • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

                                        Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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                                        hupf@feddit.org
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                                        https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_Ship_B

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                                        • S spacenoodle@lemmy.world

                                          People downvote me when I say it. That's all cope. We're not wrong; if and when this goes mainstream, it'll attract the same bad actors just as heavily.

                                          Of course, there are surely already a few here testing the waters.

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                                          sl00k@programming.dev
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                                          #111

                                          I agree the Fediverse is not in a good spot for something like this.

                                          I actually think this is where the identity system of atproto will be more impactful here as it allows a better verification system. I've been thinking lately you should be able to use hardware attestation + biometric attestation on apps to filter these emulated users out.

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