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Piefed monthly user activity has increased by nearly 500 in 3 days.

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  • S Skavau

    Okay? It's still a massive surge of new users relative to older growth.

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    wiki_me@lemmy.ml
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    Which is not useful if those users are people who try out the platform and then abandon it, or worst bots for state actors.

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      Which is not useful if those users are people who try out the platform and then abandon it, or worst bots for state actors.

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      Skavau
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      Should we just not celebrate any growth at all?

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      • S Skavau

        "Behave as I want"? What? I think it's reasonable for a developer, any developer to not view those who, from their perspective, seek to denigrate their work, possibly in bad faith, across multiple places.

        You are talking to Skavau.

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        goferking (he/him)
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        So you do/can see the hostility from the language used. So piefed pr

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          So you do/can see the hostility from the language used. So piefed pr

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          Skavau
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          No, I'm seeing hostility used from others across the wider fediverse. I don't think anything he said there was really specifically hostile at all in any thread. A complete reach.

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          • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

            Lemmy is missing several features that Piefed has had for more than a year now: https://piefed.zip/post/1008300#comment_3561702

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            bb84@mander.xyz
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            #131

            Did you put the right URL? That URL links to a comment about the 4-chan image blocking and reputation loss.

            If this is the feature you consider to be missing from Lemmy, then yes, please let it remain missing. I definitely don't want anything like it.

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            • G Grail

              No, just one purpose, the second one.

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              bb84@mander.xyz
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              That contradicts what @skavau@piefed.social told me.

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              • B bb84@mander.xyz

                Did you put the right URL? That URL links to a comment about the 4-chan image blocking and reputation loss.

                If this is the feature you consider to be missing from Lemmy, then yes, please let it remain missing. I definitely don't want anything like it.

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                Blaze (he/him)
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                Copy pasting the comment content just to be sure

                Edit : asked Rimu, here's the answer:

                I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.

                So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.

                https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529

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                Maybe that filter is the one missing, if that's the case, that will be changed soon, as it always has been for every time a similar issue was raised

                • the thorn character filter
                • 196 and other memes communities not being federated by default
                • the "this filter" being configurable

                My personal stance is that Piefed has several features that Lemmy has been lacking for more than a year, and that prevent the Threadiverse from growing

                • multicommunities
                • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
                • crossposts comments consolidation
                • communities moderation features
                • posts and user flairs
                • keyword filters

                None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.

                What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

                That's why I created that post, because for whatever reason Piefed seems to now have haters, which seems counterproductive as it has the unique features listed above.

                I personally would prefer people to say "Lemmy is fine, PieFed is fine too, both can operate with each other, my personal preference is X" rather insulting Piefed or Lemmy devs.

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                • F flames5123@sh.itjust.works

                  Piefed has so many issues. It’s great at adding new features, but it’s so bad at free speech.

                  See this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23662293

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                  hector@lemmy.today
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                  #134

                  Deal breaker for me. Although Lemmy is not all that tolerant of dissenting views either I hear.

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                  • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

                    Copy pasting the comment content just to be sure

                    Edit : asked Rimu, here's the answer:

                    I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.

                    So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.

                    https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529

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                    Maybe that filter is the one missing, if that's the case, that will be changed soon, as it always has been for every time a similar issue was raised

                    • the thorn character filter
                    • 196 and other memes communities not being federated by default
                    • the "this filter" being configurable

                    My personal stance is that Piefed has several features that Lemmy has been lacking for more than a year, and that prevent the Threadiverse from growing

                    • multicommunities
                    • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
                    • crossposts comments consolidation
                    • communities moderation features
                    • posts and user flairs
                    • keyword filters

                    None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.

                    What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

                    That's why I created that post, because for whatever reason Piefed seems to now have haters, which seems counterproductive as it has the unique features listed above.

                    I personally would prefer people to say "Lemmy is fine, PieFed is fine too, both can operate with each other, my personal preference is X" rather insulting Piefed or Lemmy devs.

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                    bb84@mander.xyz
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                    #135

                    Having features does not make it good software. It remains true that the code quality is abysmal and there ARE hardcoded blocks based on what the dev(s) dislike.

                    What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

                    I hope I am not spreading any misinformation. If any of my complaints is factually incorrect, please point it out.

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                    • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                      obviously not that "hardcoded" since piefed.zip can access these things just fine

                      https://piefed.zip/c/enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world

                      https://piefed.zip/c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      piefed.ca too https://piefed.ca/c/memes@lemmy.world

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                      bb84@mander.xyz
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                      #136

                      Hardcoded means the filter is in the source code (as opposed to being in a config file or database). Whether or not it can be disabled/circumvented is a different matter.

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                      • B bb84@mander.xyz

                        Hardcoded means the filter is in the source code (as opposed to being in a config file or database). Whether or not it can be disabled/circumvented is a different matter.

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                        die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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                        #137

                        irrelevant when it can be disabled anyways

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                        • B bb84@mander.xyz

                          Okay. It's still unclear to me why piracy was not picked up by default. It's a very big comm.

                          Anyhow, good luck on the merge request! Would be great to let the admin decide what to block instead of the weirdly random selection of comms and words on the list now.

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                          Skavau
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                          https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issues/1618

                          Already passed it on, and it's in the pipeline now.

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                          • B bb84@mander.xyz

                            That contradicts what @skavau@piefed.social told me.

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                            Grail
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                            Yeah, I was editing the code yesterday and realised we were both wrong. What it actually does is prevent the automatic bulk federator, which is a tool only admins have, from fetching those communities. It doesn't affect the manual community fetcher, which is what users use. So it doesn't limit user capabilities, only admin capabilities for automation. Also, the commit you linked is super out of date, the code is very different now.

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                            • S Skavau

                              Just thought I'd note this. Main beneficiary so far seems to be piefed.ca.

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                              realitista@lemmus.org
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                              I'm just waiting for my clients to be able to show a list of my upvoted items like they do for Lemmy.

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                              • S Skavau

                                No, I'm seeing hostility used from others across the wider fediverse. I don't think anything he said there was really specifically hostile at all in any thread. A complete reach.

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                                goferking (he/him)
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                                Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                                Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

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                                • G goferking (he/him)

                                  Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                                  Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

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                                  Skavau
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                                  Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                                  By spamming it everywhere every chance they can in an effort to try and drive people from Piefed, by making no effort to inquire or outreach to anyone in a neutral way as to why the code is as they (think) it is.

                                  But in comparison to the Lemmy admins. Sure. Do you think they take seriously, and view the opinions of those that are rude to them all across the fediverse?

                                  Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

                                  I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

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                                  • S Skavau

                                    Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                                    By spamming it everywhere every chance they can in an effort to try and drive people from Piefed, by making no effort to inquire or outreach to anyone in a neutral way as to why the code is as they (think) it is.

                                    But in comparison to the Lemmy admins. Sure. Do you think they take seriously, and view the opinions of those that are rude to them all across the fediverse?

                                    Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

                                    I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

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                                    goferking (he/him)
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                                    Weird, I was told to only assume the positives in everything. Shouldn't they be happy to have people looking and spreading the code?

                                    Now I see the issue its they didn't do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                                    I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

                                    I'm not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

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                                    • G goferking (he/him)

                                      Weird, I was told to only assume the positives in everything. Shouldn't they be happy to have people looking and spreading the code?

                                      Now I see the issue its they didn't do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                                      I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

                                      I'm not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

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                                      Skavau
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                                      Now I see the issue its they didn’t do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                                      You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                      I’m not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

                                      How has he done that outside of his control?

                                      You think every single community that bans leftists (per your definition) is necessarily run or controlled by the CIA?

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                                      • S Skavau

                                        Now I see the issue its they didn’t do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                                        You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                        I’m not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

                                        How has he done that outside of his control?

                                        You think every single community that bans leftists (per your definition) is necessarily run or controlled by the CIA?

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                                        goferking (he/him)
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                                        You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                        I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised when no one wants to discuss things with someone who specifically said they don't want anything to do with them. Which also goes back to the language rimu uses when questioned.

                                        Again are you pr for piefed cause you are way to invested in defending it, doing best to distract from the actual points and issues brought up and seemly instantly responding.

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                                        • G goferking (he/him)

                                          You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                          I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised when no one wants to discuss things with someone who specifically said they don't want anything to do with them. Which also goes back to the language rimu uses when questioned.

                                          Again are you pr for piefed cause you are way to invested in defending it, doing best to distract from the actual points and issues brought up and seemly instantly responding.

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                                          Skavau
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                                          I’m saying they shouldn’t be surprised when no one wants to discuss things with someone who specifically said they don’t want anything to do with them.

                                          Right, and the feeling is mutual. I don't think it really matters how Piefed looked, or what it does - many of those users outright oppose any competing platform on the Fediverse because they believe you should help the Lemmy devs instead of making your own. So what's the end-game here?

                                          Which also goes back to the language rimu uses when questioned.

                                          He's clearly referring to the people who express what he views as bad faith commentary and attacks on his character from those instances and communities.

                                          Again are you pr for piefed cause you are way to invested in defending it, doing best to distract from the actual points and issues brought up and seemly instantly responding.

                                          You keep replying to me. I reply back. I pretty much reply to everyone if I have something else to say so long as you keep replying to me.

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