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Piefed monthly user activity has increased by nearly 500 in 3 days.

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  • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

    Lemmy is missing several features that Piefed has had for more than a year now: https://piefed.zip/post/1008300#comment_3561702

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    bb84@mander.xyz
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    #131

    Did you put the right URL? That URL links to a comment about the 4-chan image blocking and reputation loss.

    If this is the feature you consider to be missing from Lemmy, then yes, please let it remain missing. I definitely don't want anything like it.

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    • G Grail

      No, just one purpose, the second one.

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      bb84@mander.xyz
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      That contradicts what @skavau@piefed.social told me.

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      • B bb84@mander.xyz

        Did you put the right URL? That URL links to a comment about the 4-chan image blocking and reputation loss.

        If this is the feature you consider to be missing from Lemmy, then yes, please let it remain missing. I definitely don't want anything like it.

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        Blaze (he/him)
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        Copy pasting the comment content just to be sure

        Edit : asked Rimu, here's the answer:

        I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.

        So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.

        https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529

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        Maybe that filter is the one missing, if that's the case, that will be changed soon, as it always has been for every time a similar issue was raised

        • the thorn character filter
        • 196 and other memes communities not being federated by default
        • the "this filter" being configurable

        My personal stance is that Piefed has several features that Lemmy has been lacking for more than a year, and that prevent the Threadiverse from growing

        • multicommunities
        • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
        • crossposts comments consolidation
        • communities moderation features
        • posts and user flairs
        • keyword filters

        None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.

        What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

        That's why I created that post, because for whatever reason Piefed seems to now have haters, which seems counterproductive as it has the unique features listed above.

        I personally would prefer people to say "Lemmy is fine, PieFed is fine too, both can operate with each other, my personal preference is X" rather insulting Piefed or Lemmy devs.

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        • F flames5123@sh.itjust.works

          Piefed has so many issues. It’s great at adding new features, but it’s so bad at free speech.

          See this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23662293

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          hector@lemmy.today
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          #134

          Deal breaker for me. Although Lemmy is not all that tolerant of dissenting views either I hear.

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          • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

            Copy pasting the comment content just to be sure

            Edit : asked Rimu, here's the answer:

            I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.

            So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.

            https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529

            --

            Maybe that filter is the one missing, if that's the case, that will be changed soon, as it always has been for every time a similar issue was raised

            • the thorn character filter
            • 196 and other memes communities not being federated by default
            • the "this filter" being configurable

            My personal stance is that Piefed has several features that Lemmy has been lacking for more than a year, and that prevent the Threadiverse from growing

            • multicommunities
            • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
            • crossposts comments consolidation
            • communities moderation features
            • posts and user flairs
            • keyword filters

            None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.

            What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

            That's why I created that post, because for whatever reason Piefed seems to now have haters, which seems counterproductive as it has the unique features listed above.

            I personally would prefer people to say "Lemmy is fine, PieFed is fine too, both can operate with each other, my personal preference is X" rather insulting Piefed or Lemmy devs.

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            bb84@mander.xyz
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            #135

            Having features does not make it good software. It remains true that the code quality is abysmal and there ARE hardcoded blocks based on what the dev(s) dislike.

            What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

            I hope I am not spreading any misinformation. If any of my complaints is factually incorrect, please point it out.

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            • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

              obviously not that "hardcoded" since piefed.zip can access these things just fine

              https://piefed.zip/c/enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world

              https://piefed.zip/c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              piefed.ca too https://piefed.ca/c/memes@lemmy.world

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              bb84@mander.xyz
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              #136

              Hardcoded means the filter is in the source code (as opposed to being in a config file or database). Whether or not it can be disabled/circumvented is a different matter.

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              • B bb84@mander.xyz

                Hardcoded means the filter is in the source code (as opposed to being in a config file or database). Whether or not it can be disabled/circumvented is a different matter.

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                die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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                #137

                irrelevant when it can be disabled anyways

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                • B bb84@mander.xyz

                  Okay. It's still unclear to me why piracy was not picked up by default. It's a very big comm.

                  Anyhow, good luck on the merge request! Would be great to let the admin decide what to block instead of the weirdly random selection of comms and words on the list now.

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                  Skavau
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                  #138

                  https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issues/1618

                  Already passed it on, and it's in the pipeline now.

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                  • B bb84@mander.xyz

                    That contradicts what @skavau@piefed.social told me.

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                    Grail
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                    #139

                    Yeah, I was editing the code yesterday and realised we were both wrong. What it actually does is prevent the automatic bulk federator, which is a tool only admins have, from fetching those communities. It doesn't affect the manual community fetcher, which is what users use. So it doesn't limit user capabilities, only admin capabilities for automation. Also, the commit you linked is super out of date, the code is very different now.

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                    • S Skavau

                      Just thought I'd note this. Main beneficiary so far seems to be piefed.ca.

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                      realitista@lemmus.org
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                      #140

                      I'm just waiting for my clients to be able to show a list of my upvoted items like they do for Lemmy.

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                      • S Skavau

                        No, I'm seeing hostility used from others across the wider fediverse. I don't think anything he said there was really specifically hostile at all in any thread. A complete reach.

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                        goferking (he/him)
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                        #141

                        Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                        Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

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                        • G goferking (he/him)

                          Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                          Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

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                          Skavau
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                          Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                          By spamming it everywhere every chance they can in an effort to try and drive people from Piefed, by making no effort to inquire or outreach to anyone in a neutral way as to why the code is as they (think) it is.

                          But in comparison to the Lemmy admins. Sure. Do you think they take seriously, and view the opinions of those that are rude to them all across the fediverse?

                          Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

                          I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

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                          • S Skavau

                            Hostility by simply doing code reviews and questioning odd design choices?

                            By spamming it everywhere every chance they can in an effort to try and drive people from Piefed, by making no effort to inquire or outreach to anyone in a neutral way as to why the code is as they (think) it is.

                            But in comparison to the Lemmy admins. Sure. Do you think they take seriously, and view the opinions of those that are rude to them all across the fediverse?

                            Or hostility like the lemmy devs face constantly?

                            I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

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                            goferking (he/him)
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                            Weird, I was told to only assume the positives in everything. Shouldn't they be happy to have people looking and spreading the code?

                            Now I see the issue its they didn't do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                            I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

                            I'm not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

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                            • G goferking (he/him)

                              Weird, I was told to only assume the positives in everything. Shouldn't they be happy to have people looking and spreading the code?

                              Now I see the issue its they didn't do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                              I mean he's been accused of running a CIA-style op (or compared to).

                              I'm not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

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                              Skavau
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                              Now I see the issue its they didn’t do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                              You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                              I’m not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

                              How has he done that outside of his control?

                              You think every single community that bans leftists (per your definition) is necessarily run or controlled by the CIA?

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                              • S Skavau

                                Now I see the issue its they didn’t do it in pr or only ask in approved spaces (even though most are on instances rimu has blocked). How could they not want to be neutral after having it start with him completely against them.

                                You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                I’m not sure what else they would expect when starting by explicitly banning leftists from the space they are currently in.

                                How has he done that outside of his control?

                                You think every single community that bans leftists (per your definition) is necessarily run or controlled by the CIA?

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                                goferking (he/him)
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                                #145

                                You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised when no one wants to discuss things with someone who specifically said they don't want anything to do with them. Which also goes back to the language rimu uses when questioned.

                                Again are you pr for piefed cause you are way to invested in defending it, doing best to distract from the actual points and issues brought up and seemly instantly responding.

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                                • G goferking (he/him)

                                  You think that Rimu would jump onto these instances that lets say are mutually ideological hostile and take notes and believe they're arguing in good faith?

                                  I'm saying they shouldn't be surprised when no one wants to discuss things with someone who specifically said they don't want anything to do with them. Which also goes back to the language rimu uses when questioned.

                                  Again are you pr for piefed cause you are way to invested in defending it, doing best to distract from the actual points and issues brought up and seemly instantly responding.

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                                  Skavau
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                                  #146

                                  I’m saying they shouldn’t be surprised when no one wants to discuss things with someone who specifically said they don’t want anything to do with them.

                                  Right, and the feeling is mutual. I don't think it really matters how Piefed looked, or what it does - many of those users outright oppose any competing platform on the Fediverse because they believe you should help the Lemmy devs instead of making your own. So what's the end-game here?

                                  Which also goes back to the language rimu uses when questioned.

                                  He's clearly referring to the people who express what he views as bad faith commentary and attacks on his character from those instances and communities.

                                  Again are you pr for piefed cause you are way to invested in defending it, doing best to distract from the actual points and issues brought up and seemly instantly responding.

                                  You keep replying to me. I reply back. I pretty much reply to everyone if I have something else to say so long as you keep replying to me.

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                                  • B bb84@mander.xyz

                                    I wonder, would these users still use PieFed if they have seen its codebase? Maybe it can be one day but right now it's 100% not production-grade software. Nonsensical hardcoded bans and blocks everywhere. >1000 lines of Python in a single file. Uses regex to parse HTML. The list goes on...

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                                    lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                    uses regex to parse HTML

                                    I see we are having fun these places!

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                                    • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                                      irrelevant when it can be disabled anyways

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                                      lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                      Defaults matter. We always complain about that when it comes to eg.: Firefox, no sense in being a hypocrite here and letting Piefed do just about.

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                                      • H huquad@lemmy.ml

                                        Been looking to migrate off .ml, can y'all sell me on switching to piefed?

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                                        prodigalfrog@slrpnk.net
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                                        Piefed has some neat features unique to it, such as:

                                        • a very nice gallery view for image heavy communities.
                                        • the ability to combine comments from multiple communities under one post, if the same link was posted to all of them. You can see an example of that here (notice how the comments have dividers for each community).
                                        • the ability to create and subscribe to a pre-made list of communities, sorta like a multi-reddit.
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                                        • B bb84@mander.xyz

                                          Having features does not make it good software. It remains true that the code quality is abysmal and there ARE hardcoded blocks based on what the dev(s) dislike.

                                          What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can't be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it's not) .

                                          I hope I am not spreading any misinformation. If any of my complaints is factually incorrect, please point it out.

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                                          Blaze (he/him)
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                                          Hardcoded configurable blocks disabled by default.

                                          Those features might not be for you, but from experience trying to get new people onboard, they help a lot. I made a detailed post about this there: https://piefed.zip/c/fedimemes/p/1012596/not-sure-where-all-of-this-come-from

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