Piefed monthly user activity has increased by nearly 500 in 3 days.
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New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it. I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it.
Yes, and so I am concerned they might not know what "bad list" might be hardcoded into the software they're using.
I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Yeah, I think Lemmy needs to be made easier to selfhost. From the choice of programming language, the Lemmy backend must be more efficient and secure, so it should be the better choice for most selfhosters (exceptions being the active ones who are interested in patching the stuff they host and want to do so in Python).
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New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it.
Yes, and so I am concerned they might not know what "bad list" might be hardcoded into the software they're using.
I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Yeah, I think Lemmy needs to be made easier to selfhost. From the choice of programming language, the Lemmy backend must be more efficient and secure, so it should be the better choice for most selfhosters (exceptions being the active ones who are interested in patching the stuff they host and want to do so in Python).
You have already completely misunderstood this "bad list" that you referred to here. It isn't and even at its peak before 196 mods complained, a block on all communities with those keywords.
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We've even been seeing the growth here on MULTIVERSE
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sounds great, but how do I interact with them? can I choose another server to login from here?
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
Memes is a banned url, huh? Okay, let's test this scientifically. After I make this comment, I'm gonna go to !memes@lemmy.world and see if I get any posts.
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Memes is a banned url, huh? Okay, let's test this scientifically. After I make this comment, I'm gonna go to !memes@lemmy.world and see if I get any posts.
Woah, I see lots of posts on !memes@lemmy.world, and some of them have more than a thousand upvotes. I guess there's no hardcoded bans on meme communities. You must have misunderstood the code.
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
Okay so I actually read the code just now, unlike you, and now I know what that list is for. It's not a ban. You wanna hear what the list is for?
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Okay so I actually read the code just now, unlike you, and now I know what that list is for. It's not a ban. You wanna hear what the list is for?
I know what the code is for. And I know that your instance manually exempted the block for 'memes' (or perhaps your instance imported the memes community before the block came in place, idk).
Can you view any 'piracy' or 'enoughmuskspam' community on your instance? I can't
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=enoughmuskspam&language_id=0
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You have already completely misunderstood this "bad list" that you referred to here. It isn't and even at its peak before 196 mods complained, a block on all communities with those keywords.
Can you explain what it does then? Below is my understanding. Correct me where I am wrong.
The "bad list" blocks any community with that name from being federated. So for example if I go to a random PieFed instance and search for the 'piracy' community, I get no results
https://piefed.co.za/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
The admin can circumvent this by manually adding the community. Some big instances (including yours) have done that, but smaller ones (like the one I linked) haven't.
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I know what the code is for. And I know that your instance manually exempted the block for 'memes' (or perhaps your instance imported the memes community before the block came in place, idk).
Can you view any 'piracy' or 'enoughmuskspam' community on your instance? I can't
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=enoughmuskspam&language_id=0
Try !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com from MULTIVERSE again, I just subscribed to it. You can't manually trigger federation if you don't have an account on MULTIVERSE. Thanks for the recommendation, I definitely want piracy on My instance. But I won't be subscribing to the Musk community, I've had enough of that Nazi.
By the way, I use capitalised pronouns in all three grammatical persons.
And there's no block on memes or piracy or the space pedophile. I can tell you what that code actually does if you ask. It doesn't block federation to the communities.
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Can you explain what it does then? Below is my understanding. Correct me where I am wrong.
The "bad list" blocks any community with that name from being federated. So for example if I go to a random PieFed instance and search for the 'piracy' community, I get no results
https://piefed.co.za/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
The admin can circumvent this by manually adding the community. Some big instances (including yours) have done that, but smaller ones (like the one I linked) haven't.
Rimu built a tool for new instance owners to bulk federate external communities on their instance to populate it. Kind of like a piefed lemmy-federate. In it, he excluded federation from communities with certain keywords that you have already bought up. The keywords were taken from another function that piefed.social has to stop listing posts and comments after 6 months applied to specific communities.
This didn't translate well, and he removed multiple keywords referenced here from the mass federation tool when 196 mod complained.
Piefed.co.za is less than a day old and likely has done no federation at all yet. The owner literally said it's all set up now but he's tired and doing other things now in the Zulip chat.
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Try !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com from MULTIVERSE again, I just subscribed to it. You can't manually trigger federation if you don't have an account on MULTIVERSE. Thanks for the recommendation, I definitely want piracy on My instance. But I won't be subscribing to the Musk community, I've had enough of that Nazi.
By the way, I use capitalised pronouns in all three grammatical persons.
And there's no block on memes or piracy or the space pedophile. I can tell you what that code actually does if you ask. It doesn't block federation to the communities.
Just to confirm, did You find the 'piracy' comm in the search menu (like I was trying to)? Or did You have to manually type in the URL and subscribe first for it to federate?
If You found it in the search menu, then my understanding of the code must be wrong. In that case would You please explain.
PS: The musk community is against musk. Apologies about not using Your pronouns earlier.
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Rimu built a tool for new instance owners to bulk federate external communities on their instance to populate it. Kind of like a piefed lemmy-federate. In it, he excluded federation from communities with certain keywords that you have already bought up. The keywords were taken from another function that piefed.social has to stop listing posts and comments after 6 months applied to specific communities.
This didn't translate well, and he removed multiple keywords referenced here from the mass federation tool when 196 mod complained.
Piefed.co.za is less than a day old and likely has done no federation at all yet. The owner literally said it's all set up now but he's tired and doing other things now in the Zulip chat.
Piefed.co.za is less than a day old and likely has done no federation at all yet.
That cannot be true. I can see a bunch of communities federated on that website. For example, search for 'news':
https://piefed.co.za/communities?search=news&language_id=0In it, he excluded federation from communities with certain keywords that you have already bought up.
Okay. I call that a hardcoded block (that can be manually worked around).
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Just to confirm, did You find the 'piracy' comm in the search menu (like I was trying to)? Or did You have to manually type in the URL and subscribe first for it to federate?
If You found it in the search menu, then my understanding of the code must be wrong. In that case would You please explain.
PS: The musk community is against musk. Apologies about not using Your pronouns earlier.
I used the federate remote communities page on the web UI, but I could also have typed the ! notation into a comment. I didn't try using the search to find it, but I don't think it would have worked. When I used the federation machine two weeks ago, I only grabbed communities over a certain size on certain instances. MULTIVERSE has to be told to look for smaller communities.
Still, communities like femcelmemes and dankchristianmemes and lemmyshitpost (shit is also on the list) were picked up by the community federation machine with no tinkering.
So here's what the code does. That list you found, of the seven_things_plus, it's Rimu's idea of "low effort communities". As an admin, when I click on a user, I can see their "reputation", which shows if they've been getting lots of downvotes or lots of upvotes. And I also have a checkbox that says something like "ignore reputation from low effort communities". It's designed to prevent karma farming. Rimu designed it so if a robot posts a lot of memes to 196 to farm karma and then starts posting ads for RAID SHADOW LEGENDS, I have the option of ignoring the meme reputation and still seeing that the bot isn't contributing anything of value. But I have the checkbox turned off because I like memes.
This week I'm gonna try making a PR to change that list's name to something more descriptive and make it configurable by admins. I've never contributed to PieFed before so we'll see if I can understand enough of the code to do it. Wish Me luck.
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Is this new users or users switching from Lemmy ?
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Piefed.co.za is less than a day old and likely has done no federation at all yet.
That cannot be true. I can see a bunch of communities federated on that website. For example, search for 'news':
https://piefed.co.za/communities?search=news&language_id=0In it, he excluded federation from communities with certain keywords that you have already bought up.
Okay. I call that a hardcoded block (that can be manually worked around).
Does he have all minor communities on there too?
Yes, but again - it has been adjusted to pretty much just refer to slurs. I actually spoke to him about this weeks ago.
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Is this new users or users switching from Lemmy ?
Reddit adverts, so many new users
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Just to confirm, did You find the 'piracy' comm in the search menu (like I was trying to)? Or did You have to manually type in the URL and subscribe first for it to federate?
If You found it in the search menu, then my understanding of the code must be wrong. In that case would You please explain.
PS: The musk community is against musk. Apologies about not using Your pronouns earlier.
The search menu on a piefed instance isn't going to find and federate new communities. It has never worked like that.
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I used the federate remote communities page on the web UI, but I could also have typed the ! notation into a comment. I didn't try using the search to find it, but I don't think it would have worked. When I used the federation machine two weeks ago, I only grabbed communities over a certain size on certain instances. MULTIVERSE has to be told to look for smaller communities.
Still, communities like femcelmemes and dankchristianmemes and lemmyshitpost (shit is also on the list) were picked up by the community federation machine with no tinkering.
So here's what the code does. That list you found, of the seven_things_plus, it's Rimu's idea of "low effort communities". As an admin, when I click on a user, I can see their "reputation", which shows if they've been getting lots of downvotes or lots of upvotes. And I also have a checkbox that says something like "ignore reputation from low effort communities". It's designed to prevent karma farming. Rimu designed it so if a robot posts a lot of memes to 196 to farm karma and then starts posting ads for RAID SHADOW LEGENDS, I have the option of ignoring the meme reputation and still seeing that the bot isn't contributing anything of value. But I have the checkbox turned off because I like memes.
This week I'm gonna try making a PR to change that list's name to something more descriptive and make it configurable by admins. I've never contributed to PieFed before so we'll see if I can understand enough of the code to do it. Wish Me luck.
Okay. It's still unclear to me why piracy was not picked up by default. It's a very big comm.
Anyhow, good luck on the merge request! Would be great to let the admin decide what to block instead of the weirdly random selection of comms and words on the list now.
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Okay. It's still unclear to me why piracy was not picked up by default. It's a very big comm.
Anyhow, good luck on the merge request! Would be great to let the admin decide what to block instead of the weirdly random selection of comms and words on the list now.
Not block. Just karma-devalue. I'm gonna rename the variable to something like "unwanted reputation sources". If an admin doesn't want people farming rep by posting porn, they can put porn on the list. That's not blocking, it's just a data filter for admin eyes only.
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