Piefed monthly user activity has increased by nearly 500 in 3 days.
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What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
Fox News would seem like a perfectly fine source of news if you get all your news from Fox News, wouldn't you agree?
Any community can still be manually added.
And you can still manually get any news you want from other channels, Fox News just won't show them.
(I am not saying PieFed is as bad as Fox News, just trying to make an analogy to show that something that "seems to work fine" can be pretty bad for the users nonetheless)
BTW,
!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world(with the exclamation mark up front) to correctly refer to communities. Without the ! that's an email address.I don't get this comparison. You are scrutinising the code here as if people coming here without knowledge of how awful it apparently is will apparently be in for a rough ride. That the code excludes communities with certain keywords from being automatically added by the mass federation tool used only by instance owners (many of which have been removed now - as much of it was a copy and paste job from communities designated to shed content after 6 months) doesn't actually impact the user experience just using the site.
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I don't get this comparison. You are scrutinising the code here as if people coming here without knowledge of how awful it apparently is will apparently be in for a rough ride. That the code excludes communities with certain keywords from being automatically added by the mass federation tool used only by instance owners (many of which have been removed now - as much of it was a copy and paste job from communities designated to shed content after 6 months) doesn't actually impact the user experience just using the site.
To me, the sloppy codebase means I wouldn't want to selfhost it. And the presence of hardcoded filtering of things the devs dislike (even if it can be manually worked around) is for me a very good indicator that more shenanigans will come along the line.
If you have no problems with what I mentioned then I don't think we have much in common ground to argue on. You can enjoy PieFed and I will continue to enjoy Lemmy.
I just want people to be informed about these things that I find highly problematic before they decide to use or selfhost PieFed.
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To me, the sloppy codebase means I wouldn't want to selfhost it. And the presence of hardcoded filtering of things the devs dislike (even if it can be manually worked around) is for me a very good indicator that more shenanigans will come along the line.
If you have no problems with what I mentioned then I don't think we have much in common ground to argue on. You can enjoy PieFed and I will continue to enjoy Lemmy.
I just want people to be informed about these things that I find highly problematic before they decide to use or selfhost PieFed.
New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it. I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
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Everyone knows this. This is also just piefed.social.
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Linking so people see it.
Isn't that something possible in any piefed spot not just the instance of the dev?
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I wonder, would these users still use PieFed if they have seen its codebase? Maybe it can be one day but right now it's 100% not production-grade software. Nonsensical hardcoded bans and blocks everywhere. >1000 lines of Python in a single file. Uses regex to parse HTML. The list goes on...
Sadly refactoring is frowned upon in a lot of places as it takes away from adding new stuff, especially when necessary to prevent the code from getting worse
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Linking so people see it.
Isn't that something possible in any piefed spot not just the instance of the dev?
Yes. So? Piefed.ca is receiving the bump here. Other instances have turned it off.
You know Rimu made a thread in !piefed_meta@piefed.social so you can ask questions or express concerns.
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New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it. I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it.
Yes, and so I am concerned they might not know what "bad list" might be hardcoded into the software they're using.
I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Yeah, I think Lemmy needs to be made easier to selfhost. From the choice of programming language, the Lemmy backend must be more efficient and secure, so it should be the better choice for most selfhosters (exceptions being the active ones who are interested in patching the stuff they host and want to do so in Python).
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New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it.
Yes, and so I am concerned they might not know what "bad list" might be hardcoded into the software they're using.
I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Yeah, I think Lemmy needs to be made easier to selfhost. From the choice of programming language, the Lemmy backend must be more efficient and secure, so it should be the better choice for most selfhosters (exceptions being the active ones who are interested in patching the stuff they host and want to do so in Python).
You have already completely misunderstood this "bad list" that you referred to here. It isn't and even at its peak before 196 mods complained, a block on all communities with those keywords.
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We've even been seeing the growth here on MULTIVERSE
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sounds great, but how do I interact with them? can I choose another server to login from here?
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
Memes is a banned url, huh? Okay, let's test this scientifically. After I make this comment, I'm gonna go to !memes@lemmy.world and see if I get any posts.
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Memes is a banned url, huh? Okay, let's test this scientifically. After I make this comment, I'm gonna go to !memes@lemmy.world and see if I get any posts.
Woah, I see lots of posts on !memes@lemmy.world, and some of them have more than a thousand upvotes. I guess there's no hardcoded bans on meme communities. You must have misunderstood the code.
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
Okay so I actually read the code just now, unlike you, and now I know what that list is for. It's not a ban. You wanna hear what the list is for?
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Okay so I actually read the code just now, unlike you, and now I know what that list is for. It's not a ban. You wanna hear what the list is for?
I know what the code is for. And I know that your instance manually exempted the block for 'memes' (or perhaps your instance imported the memes community before the block came in place, idk).
Can you view any 'piracy' or 'enoughmuskspam' community on your instance? I can't
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=enoughmuskspam&language_id=0
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You have already completely misunderstood this "bad list" that you referred to here. It isn't and even at its peak before 196 mods complained, a block on all communities with those keywords.
Can you explain what it does then? Below is my understanding. Correct me where I am wrong.
The "bad list" blocks any community with that name from being federated. So for example if I go to a random PieFed instance and search for the 'piracy' community, I get no results
https://piefed.co.za/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
The admin can circumvent this by manually adding the community. Some big instances (including yours) have done that, but smaller ones (like the one I linked) haven't.
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I know what the code is for. And I know that your instance manually exempted the block for 'memes' (or perhaps your instance imported the memes community before the block came in place, idk).
Can you view any 'piracy' or 'enoughmuskspam' community on your instance? I can't
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=enoughmuskspam&language_id=0
Try !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com from MULTIVERSE again, I just subscribed to it. You can't manually trigger federation if you don't have an account on MULTIVERSE. Thanks for the recommendation, I definitely want piracy on My instance. But I won't be subscribing to the Musk community, I've had enough of that Nazi.
By the way, I use capitalised pronouns in all three grammatical persons.
And there's no block on memes or piracy or the space pedophile. I can tell you what that code actually does if you ask. It doesn't block federation to the communities.
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Can you explain what it does then? Below is my understanding. Correct me where I am wrong.
The "bad list" blocks any community with that name from being federated. So for example if I go to a random PieFed instance and search for the 'piracy' community, I get no results
https://piefed.co.za/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
The admin can circumvent this by manually adding the community. Some big instances (including yours) have done that, but smaller ones (like the one I linked) haven't.
Rimu built a tool for new instance owners to bulk federate external communities on their instance to populate it. Kind of like a piefed lemmy-federate. In it, he excluded federation from communities with certain keywords that you have already bought up. The keywords were taken from another function that piefed.social has to stop listing posts and comments after 6 months applied to specific communities.
This didn't translate well, and he removed multiple keywords referenced here from the mass federation tool when 196 mod complained.
Piefed.co.za is less than a day old and likely has done no federation at all yet. The owner literally said it's all set up now but he's tired and doing other things now in the Zulip chat.
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Try !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com from MULTIVERSE again, I just subscribed to it. You can't manually trigger federation if you don't have an account on MULTIVERSE. Thanks for the recommendation, I definitely want piracy on My instance. But I won't be subscribing to the Musk community, I've had enough of that Nazi.
By the way, I use capitalised pronouns in all three grammatical persons.
And there's no block on memes or piracy or the space pedophile. I can tell you what that code actually does if you ask. It doesn't block federation to the communities.
Just to confirm, did You find the 'piracy' comm in the search menu (like I was trying to)? Or did You have to manually type in the URL and subscribe first for it to federate?
If You found it in the search menu, then my understanding of the code must be wrong. In that case would You please explain.
PS: The musk community is against musk. Apologies about not using Your pronouns earlier.
