‘Pluribus’ What Do You Think? What I would have Preferred,
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It sounds like you have a very large dearth of knowledge as to what constitutes ‘professional’ behavior
I agree with you, no single person can know the professional behaviors/skills needed for many professions let alone all professions.
Flying a large plane with one person that is designed to require at least three people to even function is a HUGE lapse of judgement.
I think these large planes can be flown by one-person, but I will let be right on that, I do not know as professional whether you are right. You know something you are not taking in consideration for this whole reply’s complaints, is there are what 1-billion people dead by 2nd-episode, & it is increasing in the future episodes as they find more dead. All but what 12-people are under control of all microscopic Beings. There are few planes flying; look at how empty the airports & skies are.
Then about the killing The Living Earth practices of transporting only one-person, & other such practices, I was right there with you, but then the obvious answers smacks you in the face. The negatives on our planet’s health & thus all Living Beings have nearly drop to nothing, with fewer population & few transportation.
Plus, the infected person overseeing to the main character’s pleasure, needs & safety, told another un-infected male character that they cannot feed him any Beings’ meat, because they cannot harm Living Beings, thus they only can make Vegan foods. I love that, as a Vegan.skavau is a clown
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Let me tell you, there are MANY people amongst 5 billion people who know how to fly that plane… If there wasn’t a large pool of knowlege to pull from, why try it solo!?
I was talking about myself, not the series infected people-
It sounds like you have a very large dearth of knowledge as to what constitutes ‘professional’ behavior
I agree with you, no single person can know the professional behaviors/skills needed for many professions let alone all professions.
With that being said, actually, we are well past 5-billion, right now, even with the 1-billion & increasing death toll, try 8-billion people during the 2nd episode.
If these “beings” (which were specifically NOT described in the opening dialog with the main character. At all.) were so interested in not harming anyone, flying a smaller plane was an OBVIOUS avenue to reduce the harm.
There is no harm to that when there are way, way & way less planes taking off, & that is just planes. Even hitting flying birds drastically drops, maybe to zero.
What do you think all people concerned about environmental damage done right now, IRW, wish would happen? Come man think, -
Let me tell you, there are MANY people amongst 5 billion people who know how to fly that plane… If there wasn’t a large pool of knowlege to pull from, why try it solo!?
I was talking about myself, not the series infected people-
It sounds like you have a very large dearth of knowledge as to what constitutes ‘professional’ behavior
I agree with you, no single person can know the professional behaviors/skills needed for many professions let alone all professions.
With that being said, actually, we are well past 5-billion, right now, even with the 1-billion & increasing death toll, try 8-billion people during the 2nd episode.
If these “beings” (which were specifically NOT described in the opening dialog with the main character. At all.) were so interested in not harming anyone, flying a smaller plane was an OBVIOUS avenue to reduce the harm.
There is no harm to that when there are way, way & way less planes taking off, & that is just planes. Even hitting flying birds drastically drops, maybe to zero.
What do you think all people concerned about environmental damage done right now, IRW, wish would happen? Come man think,skavau is a clown
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Not a single person, but what I think is 12-people.
I think it is wrong that suddenly I cannot reply to your last reply. You need to the last word. Proof is in you already said, what was in the your last reply, in your reply before, the last reply.
What you said it last reply, I do not disagree with it.
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I done trying to get you to understand it, it is hopeless.
The Livable Earth & All Living Beings are the most thing in my life,
i did not create this thread to verbally fight with other members, so I am letting it go.
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Not a single person, but what I think is 12-people.
I think it is wrong that suddenly I cannot reply to your last reply. You need to the last word. Proof is in you already said, what was in the your last reply, in your reply before, the last reply.
What you said it last reply, I do not disagree with it.
skavau is a clown
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I done trying to get you to understand it, it is hopeless.
The Livable Earth & All Living Beings are the most thing in my life,
i did not create this thread to verbally fight with other members, so I am letting it go.
skavau is a clown
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Im going to coach this in vague language to avoid spoilers.
The key I think you missed in that sequence is that no one person is important. That person is introduced doing "menial" tasks while filthy. They are pointing out that individual comfort is nigh pointless, as each of the hosts is just part of something larger. The human needs once youre joined are minimized on an individual level, or at least, met in a different way.
That host was selected for a reason, but even if they did die and crash one of tens of thousands of planes they dont really need, they could send another, very similiar host to complete that goal. The "whole" considered her flying alone to be safe enough, or at least irrevelvant enough if it caused an issue, and they were ultimately correct. She arrived unharmed, promptly. With how the "whole" views the "unjoined," using a large plane to assist her is likely seen as the best possible use of resources. Later episodes comfirm this viewpoint.
In the end, that single host flying a large plane alone just to arrive somewhere quickly seems insane to us, but fits the "wholes" personality to a tee.
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Im going to coach this in vague language to avoid spoilers.
The key I think you missed in that sequence is that no one person is important. That person is introduced doing "menial" tasks while filthy. They are pointing out that individual comfort is nigh pointless, as each of the hosts is just part of something larger. The human needs once youre joined are minimized on an individual level, or at least, met in a different way.
That host was selected for a reason, but even if they did die and crash one of tens of thousands of planes they dont really need, they could send another, very similiar host to complete that goal. The "whole" considered her flying alone to be safe enough, or at least irrevelvant enough if it caused an issue, and they were ultimately correct. She arrived unharmed, promptly. With how the "whole" views the "unjoined," using a large plane to assist her is likely seen as the best possible use of resources. Later episodes comfirm this viewpoint.
In the end, that single host flying a large plane alone just to arrive somewhere quickly seems insane to us, but fits the "wholes" personality to a tee.
skavau is a clown
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It didnt actually require multiple people in the show, but that could just be creative license. Im not a pilot, but I bet that plane "should for safety and efficency be flown by multiple people," but I doubt it literally requires 3+ people to be operating it to fly. Its not like it needs 3+ people to push levers and turns the wheel at the same time to work, its just reckless to not have redundancies.
That recklessness is the point. Again, being hazy for spoiler reasons, but that host is both very important and not important at all. She is the literally best person on earth for the role she is about to play, but is also disposable. In the total billions of people on earth, thousands of others could do what she does if they need to, but at that moment, she is the "best," so she has the maximuim resources to succeed. That includes a moterbike, a plane, hair and makeup staff, resort showers, vehicles at the destination/etc. She is about to interact with what the "whole" think is someone very important.
As to the "why dont they murder the unjoined," i think we are stepping into spoilers here, but ill say vaguely that they are literally aliens. Humans might kill those unjoined and be done with it, but they arent us. That question is a core part of the show. The "who, the what, the why" of them, and what it means for the remaining humans, is the show. How do the humans and aliens react to each other is literally the point.
The showrunners have really straddled the surreal nature of the aliens and their interaction with the remains of our civilization. Its very, very strange how they act, but makes a lot of sense when the show explains what they value. I think showing that "weirdness" is done very well, as it lends one to wonder what is truly valuable in an "alien" mind, and in, contrast, why we value what we do. Thats an interesting topic they do credit to.
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It didnt actually require multiple people in the show, but that could just be creative license. Im not a pilot, but I bet that plane "should for safety and efficency be flown by multiple people," but I doubt it literally requires 3+ people to be operating it to fly. Its not like it needs 3+ people to push levers and turns the wheel at the same time to work, its just reckless to not have redundancies.
That recklessness is the point. Again, being hazy for spoiler reasons, but that host is both very important and not important at all. She is the literally best person on earth for the role she is about to play, but is also disposable. In the total billions of people on earth, thousands of others could do what she does if they need to, but at that moment, she is the "best," so she has the maximuim resources to succeed. That includes a moterbike, a plane, hair and makeup staff, resort showers, vehicles at the destination/etc. She is about to interact with what the "whole" think is someone very important.
As to the "why dont they murder the unjoined," i think we are stepping into spoilers here, but ill say vaguely that they are literally aliens. Humans might kill those unjoined and be done with it, but they arent us. That question is a core part of the show. The "who, the what, the why" of them, and what it means for the remaining humans, is the show. How do the humans and aliens react to each other is literally the point.
The showrunners have really straddled the surreal nature of the aliens and their interaction with the remains of our civilization. Its very, very strange how they act, but makes a lot of sense when the show explains what they value. I think showing that "weirdness" is done very well, as it lends one to wonder what is truly valuable in an "alien" mind, and in, contrast, why we value what we do. Thats an interesting topic they do credit to.
skavau is a clown
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If the entity truly connected all human minds, it would be of no significant consequence to murder the handful of people that didn't 'connect'. Period. Ever. Humanity has proven that a handful of deaths is nothing in the face of progress.
Why should that change now that everyone is connected?
Because they value life and are extremely empathetic beings. If your priority is preserving life in all its form, if you are driven to sharing what you experience with the rest of existence, then murder is no solution. Do they want progress? Sure: they are still highly curious beings after the joining, but not at the expense of another life, regardless of how easy or convenient it might appear to be from a "rational" standpoint.
And as for the plane, could it not be seen as arrogance symptomatic of the joining? I mean sure, those things you mentioned could happen – heart attack, complications – but the collective is so confident in its knowledge and ability that it doesn't think the likelihood of complications ensuing is high enough to crew the plane with more than one person.
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Well, clearly the writers dont know much about flying a cargo plane, or just used her flying it filthy, alone and serene as a way to make a bigger point about how the aliens value their lives, and in contrast, human lives. I expect it was more the latter than the former, but either may be true.
I can tell you as a person who does not fly cargo planes, that their point about "alienness" came across very well in that shot. Its unfortunate that it did not for you, but I expect it did translate for those outsite of your profession.
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Well, clearly the writers dont know much about flying a cargo plane, or just used her flying it filthy, alone and serene as a way to make a bigger point about how the aliens value their lives, and in contrast, human lives. I expect it was more the latter than the former, but either may be true.
I can tell you as a person who does not fly cargo planes, that their point about "alienness" came across very well in that shot. Its unfortunate that it did not for you, but I expect it did translate for those outsite of your profession.
skavau is a clown
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If the entity truly connected all human minds, it would be of no significant consequence to murder the handful of people that didn't 'connect'. Period. Ever. Humanity has proven that a handful of deaths is nothing in the face of progress.
Why should that change now that everyone is connected?
Because they value life and are extremely empathetic beings. If your priority is preserving life in all its form, if you are driven to sharing what you experience with the rest of existence, then murder is no solution. Do they want progress? Sure: they are still highly curious beings after the joining, but not at the expense of another life, regardless of how easy or convenient it might appear to be from a "rational" standpoint.
And as for the plane, could it not be seen as arrogance symptomatic of the joining? I mean sure, those things you mentioned could happen – heart attack, complications – but the collective is so confident in its knowledge and ability that it doesn't think the likelihood of complications ensuing is high enough to crew the plane with more than one person.
skavau is a clown
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So it's difficult to discuss this show as you've only seen the first two episodes and I've watched all nine episodes twice.
However even from the first two episodes, I'm not sure you and I watched the same show.
I think it's fine to wish for a show to be something, but you can't fault a show for not being something it never tried to be. You can't watch Shakespeare and complain that it lacked a big car chase scene.
I think you've picked up on some of the themes of Pluribus, but you haven't caught them all, and you may be wrong about others.
You can't watch Shakespeare and complain that it lacked a big car chase scene.
Hey, now that you mention it, that's a huge problem. Who funded these scripts?
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I'm going into some spoilers here OP, so please avoid if you like.
The "whole" value human lives above all else, but they are no longer human. They are a gestalt consiousness that is alien at its core. They combined carry the shared human experience, and as such, do not mourn any individual death of their hosts. The knowledge and "soul" of the joined is shared across them all. That makes any hosts individual deaths irrelevant to them. That person "lives" on in the gesalt mind.
Because the unjoined are outside of this, they do not have their minds safely shared, so the alien consiousness, who values life above all else, finds losing them to be utterly unacceptable. It finds losing any life unacceptable, but has a specific fondness for humans that are not "safely" joined.
The aliens will do anything in its power to aid the humans until they can join with it, to share with them. The showrunners go to pains to show they mean "anything" in a very literal way. Any resource the unjoined want is theirs, at a whim.
In this way, the show makes perfect sense. The aliens have an alien perspective because they are no longer human as we understand it. The humans are still "us," but they are confronted by an insane world where the threat isnt physical harm, but an unravelling of what it means to be human. How the humans grapple with this new world, with a pervasive alien mind that wants to both aid them and destroy them, and what that says about humanity, is the show.
You fixating on technical inaccuracies during an early 5 minute shot to dismiss the show is maybe understandable given your job, but its very much missing the forest for the trees. That shot, technically wrong as it may have been, carried some very heavy subtext that echoed through the whole season about what the aliens are, and what they value. In that, it was done very well.
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What asinine decisions do the Hive make?
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I think this is a very small grievance. I don't recall if that girl was the only person in the cockpit at the time, but you can just imagine there were two other hived there if you want to.
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I'm going into some spoilers here OP, so please avoid if you like.
The "whole" value human lives above all else, but they are no longer human. They are a gestalt consiousness that is alien at its core. They combined carry the shared human experience, and as such, do not mourn any individual death of their hosts. The knowledge and "soul" of the joined is shared across them all. That makes any hosts individual deaths irrelevant to them. That person "lives" on in the gesalt mind.
Because the unjoined are outside of this, they do not have their minds safely shared, so the alien consiousness, who values life above all else, finds losing them to be utterly unacceptable. It finds losing any life unacceptable, but has a specific fondness for humans that are not "safely" joined.
The aliens will do anything in its power to aid the humans until they can join with it, to share with them. The showrunners go to pains to show they mean "anything" in a very literal way. Any resource the unjoined want is theirs, at a whim.
In this way, the show makes perfect sense. The aliens have an alien perspective because they are no longer human as we understand it. The humans are still "us," but they are confronted by an insane world where the threat isnt physical harm, but an unravelling of what it means to be human. How the humans grapple with this new world, with a pervasive alien mind that wants to both aid them and destroy them, and what that says about humanity, is the show.
You fixating on technical inaccuracies during an early 5 minute shot to dismiss the show is maybe understandable given your job, but its very much missing the forest for the trees. That shot, technically wrong as it may have been, carried some very heavy subtext that echoed through the whole season about what the aliens are, and what they value. In that, it was done very well.
Yes, this show is the perfect example of Blue & Orange Morality.
The aliens simply do not make sense to us here. And that's the point.
