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Matt Damon Says Netflix Wants Movies to Restate the ‘Plot Three or Four Times in the Dialogue’ Because Viewers are on ‘Their Phones While They’re Watching’

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    baracoded@literature.cafe
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    Writer insight : if people start pulling their phone when they should be watching your movie, it means your movie is shit, not that it should be made even sloppier. Watered down shit is still a shit cocktail.

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    • kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

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      DylanMc6 [any, any]
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      Please explain

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        Please explain

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        kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Atomization means to atomize, your thinking of automation or automated.

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        • S switorik@lemmy.zip

          This is what kills any articles on the web. The first three paragraphs repeat the question you're looking to get answered and the last paragraph vaguely answers it.

          I feel like an old person now but I've started watching movies from the 90s/2000s and I can't believe how much worse movies have become over the years.

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          criss_cross@lemmy.world
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          SEO was a mistake.

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          • D DeliciousDoorknob

            The last season being a big mess aside, it was 100% guilty of re-explaining the plot, not just the recaps. Together with those unnecessary "LET ME EXPLAIN" scenes, like Robin using vinyls to explain a very basic concept. They really treated us like idiots.

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            kraven_the_hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I was complaining to my family about how El getting a bloody nose was originally used to indicate how she severely over exerted herself while using her powers. In this last season they turned it into the "I used magic and am trying to look cool" sign. I found it belittling.

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            • K kofe@lemmy.world

              Depending on what shows you watched, plenty from the 90s/00s assumed viewers wouldnt make it for the airing once a week. So they did fluff a bunch and rely on "this week's monster" rather than dense series plots. I remember despising dragon ball z (my brothers favorite) because multiple episodes would go by with fuckin NOTHING happening.

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              killer_tree@sh.itjust.works
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              I was always mad that Goku would finally make it to Namek, then for some reason next week they would time jump backwards and he'd be back in the hyperbaric training chamber. It felt like DBZ groundhog month.
              If you are mad about missing the actual meat of the show like I was, I highly recommend "Dragon Ball Kai" - it's DBZ with the filler removed!

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              • 4 4am@lemmy.zip

                Why? What the fuck do they care as long as people watch it?

                Make good stuff, and people will come.

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                lemmyseikai@lemmy.world
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                Good stuff is a hard marker to hit.

                Going back to 54% of Americans read at or below the 5th grade level (in terms of functional capacity and reaching comprehension), they need it spelled out.

                And this good is slowly being eroded away.

                Alien hardly explains anything. Alien Romulus isn't as bad as much modern cinema but explains too much sometimes

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                • P potustheplant@feddit.nl

                  If you watch shitty movies, yes. There are still plenty of good movies being made.

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                  wrote last edited by slurpingpus@lemmy.world
                  #107

                  I've watched through ‘Severance’, which is very popular afaict. It's chock full of protracted shots padding the runtime. Either the directors (mostly Ben Stiller) think they're new Kubricks, or the directive was to make the show longer. Idk what Netflix gets from a longer show, when a season is dumped all at once anyway — presumably more space for ads, which are apparently there now. I wouldn't feel much guilty about checking the phone in between any meaningful action.

                  The only new film that really gripped me in the past few years was ‘The Substance’, which felt like oldschool Cronenberg stuff. Ironically it's comparatively long, and doesn't even have much dialogue.

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                  • I ilandar@lemmy.today

                    All that said, I don’t think the last season was terrible. I expected it to be a lot worse than it was. The actual plot and ending of the story, I thought were perfectly mediocre and fine. It was ruined by the dialogue.

                    I agree with you, it was better than I expected (although I had extremely low expectations to be fair). The most miserable parts of the final season were the long "emotional" character moments with the most juvenile/amateur/unrealistic writing. I don't skip as a rule, but I really felt like fast forwarding through some of that stuff, it was so cringe.

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                    [object Object]
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                    #108

                    Pro tip: VLC has the option of running the video at a speed of choice, where 110% is good for pretty much everything. I wish I knew of this feature when I watched through ‘Harry Potters’ and the ‘Matrix’ trilogy.

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                    • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                      Lemmy/Piefed is an echo chamber, and has some structural issues like Reddit. But there's no algo, no advertising, nor constant phone notifications.

                      And, uh, no billionaires warping "open" discourse.

                      To me, it's a time black hole, worse than old forums. But it's not nearly as bad as (say) Discord or anything Facebook owned.

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                      u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)
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                      nor constant phone notifications.

                      Until emails broke on our instance I used to get email notifications for replies, which would send a notification to my phone, which would get forwarded to my smart watch.
                      So, uh, yeah.

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                      • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC corkyskog@sh.itjust.works

                        I wouldn't have my phone out to begin with Netflix if you didn't start adding ads.

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                        [object Object]
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                        I guess that's why ‘Severance’ is full of padding shots with nothing happening in them.

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                        • T theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world

                          I would actually argue the opposite. Modern movie plots are an ADD fever dream. There are so many things going on that keeping track is an absolute chore.

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                          [object Object]
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                          Films maybe, but Netflix appears to pad shows' runtime without shame.

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                          • F freddieslantern@leminal.space

                            You tell me:

                            -are you getting ads/shorts/brainrot shoved in face every single second?

                            -is the public on lemmy tolerant of sexoffenders? Nazis?

                            -ads? (Yes, I initially misspelled it as “adds” this guy right here)

                            -do you have superfluous bs following you around?

                            I think not.

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                            explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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                            I think if no public bathrooms are available, then we should be allowed to urinate in public.

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                            • SeductiveTortoiseS SeductiveTortoise

                              Some YouTube channels do this and I started to hide them in the recommendations because it pisses me off so much.

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                              rhombus
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                              The constant restating on Youtube is to pad out their video and get more ad spots. I also immediately dislike and hide them because of that.

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                              • E evol@lemmy.today

                                I wonder if its due to how closely Anime attempts to animate Manga? I feel like you can kind of "explain" what happens in text alot more smoothly than on a TV show due to how much faster you ingest knowledge.

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                                rhombus
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                                Often it’s a localization issue too. Japanese dialogue doesn’t translate easily to English, it’s usually longer and has more layers of formality that English can’t express. And they often aren’t allowed to cut the content, so they have to make the English super wordy and explainy to match the long winded mouth flaps.

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                                • C criss_cross@lemmy.world

                                  SEO was a mistake.

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                                  rhombus
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                                  Also the more repetition the more room on the page for ad spots. Same reason so many Youtubers restate the same shit almost verbatim over and over and over; it pads the video so Youtube can cram in more ad spots.

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                                    lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Bad movies need to do this. You know, the average movie Netflix signs off on.

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                                    • P portifornia@lemmy.world

                                      I think you're both right, somehow.

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                                      rhombus
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                                      Less movement in the main plot, but more unnecessary side plot shit that is often unresolved by the end.

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                                        ambientdread@lemmy.world
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                                        Or we are on our phones because the movies repeat their themes over and over and over again

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                                        • R rhombus

                                          The constant restating on Youtube is to pad out their video and get more ad spots. I also immediately dislike and hide them because of that.

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                                          SeductiveTortoise
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                                          Same here, I know why they do it, but they will lose me as a viewer.

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