Why are people still romanticizing No Man’s Sky’s “redemption” arc?
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Because instead of the usual triple a studio promising the moon for sales then delivering a pebble and not giving a shit, it was a guy who got caught up in the hype and handled it badly, and then him and his small studio worked their asses off to make the game justify the price charged. I know it's hard to drop the cynicism living in the modern world has instilled in us, but I genuinely think it was a collosal fuckup and not malicious, and they ACTUALLY put the time and effort in to deliver the promises they could and a fuckload more atuff that wasn't. In a day and age of companies lying on purpose for profit and not giving a shit, it's a breath of fresh air.
That I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but the mythology of redemption through free update is part of being a beta tester for LNF, that's pragmatism on HG's part shift their burden to the fans, not a colossal fuck-up as you claimed.
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I mean, if the game is actually good with its common space tropes as their marketing materials, instead of having the need to be culturally reframed into a "chill sandbox". 10 years of disjointed game mechanics and bugs still implies bad game design.
Instead of completely changing the game into something else, they opted to add features that complement the original gameplay loop, and lots of people love what the game has to offer.
There's nothing wrong with not liking NMS, and as I said, I don't like it either, but I wouldn't say that the game doesn't fit the promises made just because you don't like it. From what I remember, they promised a sandbox game with a big universe and tons of planets to explore along with your friends. NMS currently has that, plus base building, ship customization, and more. All these systems are subservient to the main gameplay loop of going to planet -> gathering resources -> building more stuff, but it's like that for every sandbox game. I don't like Minecraft and Factorio either, but like, it's my opinion. NMS never promised a 10 hrs story driven experience and cinematic cutscenes.
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Bringing Star Citizen up is a race to the bottom.
I think they are saying "look at star citizen as the alternative" meaning never finished, but by comparison No Man's Sky is complete now?
Maybe i'm reading it wrong though.
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Instead of completely changing the game into something else, they opted to add features that complement the original gameplay loop, and lots of people love what the game has to offer.
There's nothing wrong with not liking NMS, and as I said, I don't like it either, but I wouldn't say that the game doesn't fit the promises made just because you don't like it. From what I remember, they promised a sandbox game with a big universe and tons of planets to explore along with your friends. NMS currently has that, plus base building, ship customization, and more. All these systems are subservient to the main gameplay loop of going to planet -> gathering resources -> building more stuff, but it's like that for every sandbox game. I don't like Minecraft and Factorio either, but like, it's my opinion. NMS never promised a 10 hrs story driven experience and cinematic cutscenes.
Doesn't fit the promise made was not the argument; shoddily made, then being reframed into something else was the argument, nor was I expecting a "cinematic experience". And no, I like Minecraft, MC is crystal clear about what it is trying to be: a building game first with an open world and survival element.
I cannot say the same with NMS and its space tropes and exploration loop.
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This might be unpopular, but it feels like the “redemption” story around No Man’s Sky has become more of a cultural comfort narrative than an honest look at what happened.
Let’s be real — most of those updates were just delivering delayed promises, not generosity. The game we were originally sold was missing a lot of advertised features, and Hello Games never actually apologized for lying. On top of that, every update brings more bugs and half-fixed systems, and the community acts like free beta testers for Light No Fire, while still framing it all as “passion” and “commitment.”
It’s like Hello Games built a shoddy, unfinished building, declared it open anyway, and then decided to use it as a testing ground for their next building — and somehow it wins “Best Ongoing Building” every year.
So why do people keep buying into this narrative? Because it’s a comfortable story? Or is it somekind of parasocial relationship going on there?
NMS made 78 million in 2016, this can't be compared to a failed AAA game or indies where devs walk away from financial failure, another emotional argument?
According to the number of upvotes, it seems that their angst is a reflection of the game industry in general. Hello Games had indeed performed to expectations by not walking away, but does that warrant mythologising the redemption arc? Even when the state of the game is buggy?
What about Cyberpunk 2077? I remember back in the time devs claimed they worked for exhaustive hours to meet impossible requirements near launch date, why does it seems like they're the good guys now (CDPR)?
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This might be unpopular, but it feels like the “redemption” story around No Man’s Sky has become more of a cultural comfort narrative than an honest look at what happened.
Let’s be real — most of those updates were just delivering delayed promises, not generosity. The game we were originally sold was missing a lot of advertised features, and Hello Games never actually apologized for lying. On top of that, every update brings more bugs and half-fixed systems, and the community acts like free beta testers for Light No Fire, while still framing it all as “passion” and “commitment.”
It’s like Hello Games built a shoddy, unfinished building, declared it open anyway, and then decided to use it as a testing ground for their next building — and somehow it wins “Best Ongoing Building” every year.
So why do people keep buying into this narrative? Because it’s a comfortable story? Or is it somekind of parasocial relationship going on there?
NMS made 78 million in 2016, this can't be compared to a failed AAA game or indies where devs walk away from financial failure, another emotional argument?
According to the number of upvotes, it seems that their angst is a reflection of the game industry in general. Hello Games had indeed performed to expectations by not walking away, but does that warrant mythologising the redemption arc? Even when the state of the game is buggy?
I just wrote it off as a "oh, another space game" and tossed it on the pile. I don't care about its story.
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Idk, idc. The game has been getting free updates for years and I enjoy it. Most devs would have ditched immediately.
Why should Hello Games ditch the game?
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Doesn't fit the promise made was not the argument; shoddily made, then being reframed into something else was the argument, nor was I expecting a "cinematic experience". And no, I like Minecraft, MC is crystal clear about what it is trying to be: a building game first with an open world and survival element.
I cannot say the same with NMS and its space tropes and exploration loop.
I like Minecraft, MC is crystal clear about what it is trying to be: a building game first with an open world and survival element.
I cannot say the same with NMS and its space tropes and exploration loop.
Sounds to me like you had different expectations and are saying that it's somehow the game's fault.
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I like Minecraft, MC is crystal clear about what it is trying to be: a building game first with an open world and survival element.
I cannot say the same with NMS and its space tropes and exploration loop.
Sounds to me like you had different expectations and are saying that it's somehow the game's fault.
Sounds to me you have no argument.
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Sounds to me you have no argument.
Your argument is that the game doesn't fit its "space tropes", but somehow that's not you having different expectations than what it was actually promised and delivered?
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Why so sensitive? What's the accusation? All I pointed out was that HG made a lot of money from people over the years; it makes a lot of sense that they did not abandon the project.
You (possibly falsely) accused a commenter of supporting HG while saying it's a stupid thing you do. You were a dick. I pointed it out.
And that's the whole story my friend.
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Your argument is that the game doesn't fit its "space tropes", but somehow that's not you having different expectations than what it was actually promised and delivered?
I expect functional dogfights, not simulator like flight model, but something arcady in a space game with functional AI. How is that an unrealistic expectation?
Let's not even talk about a simulated universe of faction battles, which Sean even mentioned as being in the game.
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This might be unpopular, but it feels like the “redemption” story around No Man’s Sky has become more of a cultural comfort narrative than an honest look at what happened.
Let’s be real — most of those updates were just delivering delayed promises, not generosity. The game we were originally sold was missing a lot of advertised features, and Hello Games never actually apologized for lying. On top of that, every update brings more bugs and half-fixed systems, and the community acts like free beta testers for Light No Fire, while still framing it all as “passion” and “commitment.”
It’s like Hello Games built a shoddy, unfinished building, declared it open anyway, and then decided to use it as a testing ground for their next building — and somehow it wins “Best Ongoing Building” every year.
So why do people keep buying into this narrative? Because it’s a comfortable story? Or is it somekind of parasocial relationship going on there?
NMS made 78 million in 2016, this can't be compared to a failed AAA game or indies where devs walk away from financial failure, another emotional argument?
According to the number of upvotes, it seems that their angst is a reflection of the game industry in general. Hello Games had indeed performed to expectations by not walking away, but does that warrant mythologising the redemption arc? Even when the state of the game is buggy?
They continued to work on the game years after its bad reception. They could have stopped and ignored it. But they worked on it and gave lot of free updates that changed the game dramatically. Other companies would ask money in form of DLC in example. The launch was a disaster and they deserved the hate. But the "redemption" is a different issue and they earned the good will.
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You (possibly falsely) accused a commenter of supporting HG while saying it's a stupid thing you do. You were a dick. I pointed it out.
And that's the whole story my friend.
You can support HG, but that doesn't mean that others have no right to think that it is not a smart thing to do. Spare me your ad hominem tactic, please.
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Why should Hello Games ditch the game?
Nobody's saying they should. We are saying that most companies would. Because most companies do.
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Why should Hello Games ditch the game?
Well that is what lot of devs do, after scamming and getting the quick money and stop working on it. But they kept working for years, still ongoing 10 years after launch. Even with the hate they got and after they got exposed.
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I expect functional dogfights, not simulator like flight model, but something arcady in a space game with functional AI. How is that an unrealistic expectation?
Let's not even talk about a simulated universe of faction battles, which Sean even mentioned as being in the game.
I don't know exactly what you mean with "functional dogfights [...] with functional AI", but from the looks of it, it's there already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djIOoTjayKs
There are also different factions in the game that the player can interact with and gain/lose reputation. According to the wiki, entertaining relationships with the in-game factions net the following benefits:
- Availability of certain blueprints to purchase.
- Faction specific dialogue options.
- Possibility to start missions, which require a minimum faction standing.
- High standing will grant the player aid at times when under attack by pirates.
- Discounts on technology modules in Space Stations.
Maybe it's not as in-depth as you (and I) wish it was, but it's there already.
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What about Cyberpunk 2077? I remember back in the time devs claimed they worked for exhaustive hours to meet impossible requirements near launch date, why does it seems like they're the good guys now (CDPR)?
I know your question is likely rhetorical, but for the same reason. They improved on it enough to drown out the bad press and turn people's opinions.
I think that both games are good games, and they're both fun. They had to meet unrealistic release expectations both internally and externally so had a terrible experience at launch. There's clearly more money in fixing the product and improving public opinion though, so they did.
I think people often forget that many games are the product of a really significant amount of people working for a significant amount of time, and that both the company paying them and the people working would like money to go in instead of out.
Selling entertainment/art is sometimes self contradicting.
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Why should Hello Games ditch the game?
Because, as this article that you keep linking says, they already made bank with the broken product in the first place. They could have just taken the money and closed the studio, or at least rebranding and going for the same trick again and again, as so many other actually do. They did not do that, they chose to do the opposite, which was an incredibly bold decision at the time.
You also keep linking another article showing how they made so much money recently, like in 2022, but you forget that this is now, with hindsight. In 2016 just after release, it was more dangerous for them to keep working on a game nobody trusted anymore.
And for the record, I bought NMS in 2022, and liked it okay-ish. It's far from the best game ever, but arguing like you do that "they only added stuff they said would be in the game in the first place" is clearly fallacious.
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Well that is what lot of devs do, after scamming and getting the quick money and stop working on it. But they kept working for years, still ongoing 10 years after launch. Even with the hate they got and after they got exposed.
That's why I used the building analogy in my original post to point out the standard of professionalism.
