we need more users
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I think it is kind of a mistake that Lemmy tries to replicate or replace Reddit. If you want your "niche" content (which I can never figure out what people mean but this but I digress), it requires the network effect of Reddit. Reddit still exists and both Lemmy instances and Reddit are websites. You can easily have two tabs or like both apps on your phone so I'm not sure why it has to be all or nothing.
I think a better use of Lemmy is to provide things that don't work and don't exist on Reddit. A good example is https://crazypeople.online/c/eternalplaylist where we post whatever we're listening to and then sometimes comment on what other people are rocking at the time. I started https://crazypeople.online/c/streamingmovies just to post whatever bullshit I'm watching, maybe if you stream something from https://fmhy.net/ post it and we can all watch it.
I think the people using lemmy as a personal blog are more like what the platform excels at like https://lemmygrad.ml/c/spacedogschronicles and https://crazypeople.online/c/bitofarambler which became https://crazypeople.online/c/travel
Lastly I think the real win for Lemmy as a whole would be to figure out how to better interact with other fedi software. Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content but in a scenario i find much easier to follow than subscribe to poster type twitter style microblogging.
TL;DR being Reddit 2 won't ever happen until Lemmy has a reason to exist that isn't being Reddit. Some people are building that and this is still early in the game.
Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content
yeah, i've been thinking about the same thing. how to properly embed mastodon content into Lemmy? Maybe one community for each poster? Is that the right approach?
Or should one Mastodon hashtag turn into one Lemmy community?
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guilt by association is a hell of a drug.
but i'm not gonna lie, most of the crazy hostile comments I get are from .ml users or other far-left instance users. which makes sense. I'm not far-left, so in their eyes I am a Nazi and I should be violently suppressed for not believing what they believe.
I'm okay with your point of view. I can say the same about the lemmy.world instance. Maybe we belong to a third instance, but as long as lemmy.ml has me uncensored, I'm happy here.
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I'm okay with your point of view. I can say the same about the lemmy.world instance. Maybe we belong to a third instance, but as long as lemmy.ml has me uncensored, I'm happy here.
i will say .world has had a massive infux of crazy douchebags the past few months. i have been on here two years, nad it was rare to get harassed/reported/banned, but things have changed recently whatever the last reddit exodus was.
to me it's just general rage posting and rage baiting taking over, from what was a much more chill place a year ago. across multiple instances. but on the flip side, the engagement is way up. irrational rage and hate drives engagement. people love to scream and insult other users more than they like talking to them as if they were people.
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I'm going to be frank.
I'm highly empathetic, and studied history, sociology, economics, international relations, and a few other subjects in university. I dabble in reading as well.
It's really, really hard for me to stomach the news coming out of the US right now. I'm Australian, so in comparison I live in a utopia. But I just want to cry whenever I see how innocent people are being hurt in the US, Venezuela, Palestine, or really anywhere else. I get angry when I see how the US government, and many others are fucking everything up right now. Things don't have to be like this.
There is so much American news on this platform. There is so much bad news in general. I don't come to the internet to stress and worry. I come here to learn stuff about niches and chill out. And every time I'm on Lemmy I'm left with the same bad feelings I get from reading world news subreddits.
Let me be clear; I have no problem with the fact that American news gets posted. It's that when I get on the lemmy.zip or lemmy.world page, some days 9/10 links are to American news, that is very, very, bad news. It makes me miserable.
So why should I be here instead of just switching off? I love Lemmy, but I find that I just can't justify coming on here. It makes me feel awful.
Block those communities, if you want.
But Americans are very hostile and angry people, and yes it's true that anger boils all over lemmy now in a way it didn't even a few months ago.
There are just a lot of people who go around wanting to pound everything with all the anger they are harboring.
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The more niche communities really suffer I feel from the decentralized pattern. Tv shows, movies, video games, etc. you have everyone trying to be the "de-facto" instance and none of them really get traffic.
Really, Lemmy is just a US political platform with some weak notions of being anything else. And if it wants to survive, it needs more people, with more interesting topic. To many subs are just ghost towns.
Agreed.
The politics here is also so hostile and violent, and one-sided. It's gross. Even moderate/chill points of view are mercilessly attacked and told the are awful bad people for not being extremists. Anyone who isn't on 'their side' is the 'enemy'.
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i will say .world has had a massive infux of crazy douchebags the past few months. i have been on here two years, nad it was rare to get harassed/reported/banned, but things have changed recently whatever the last reddit exodus was.
to me it's just general rage posting and rage baiting taking over, from what was a much more chill place a year ago. across multiple instances. but on the flip side, the engagement is way up. irrational rage and hate drives engagement. people love to scream and insult other users more than they like talking to them as if they were people.
Now that you point it out, I think that's exactly it. I'm glad people like you are still around there.
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You are railing about moral issues I don't even disagree with. But there are basic, physical properties that networks have, that are scale dependent. There is no moralizing around that issue. And de-federation can and does occur all the time, its basically the norm between the major instances. And that has fundamentally crippled the growth of the fediverse (at least the lemmy side).
Just because I'm not bothering putting effort into responding to a slathering wall of text like you've composed, does nothing to change the fact that social networks, and actually, all large networked systems from the internet to a fungal colony, all base their survival in scale. I've done the work and shared it with those I've deemed worthy, here, regarding the network analyses I've built to run on the fediverse. Here's a hint: you aren't one of those.
Without scale, networked systems collapse. Without scale, complexity can't emerge.
A big part of this is architectural and we had that discussion years ago here. There are design constraints built into the original envisioning of lemmy that pretty much force these limitations. The biggest issue being that each lemmy instance is built to effectively be an "entire clone" of a reddit like system. The second is activity pub related, in that users can not "migrate" their accounts or community's to new instance, neither can we fork, clone, or merge a community.
The result is that we end up with duplicated communities, balkanized content, and an overall reduction in activity, which further suppress growth. There is no disagreement that the de-federation issue contributed directly to Lemmy's decline. We were all here for it.
You can whine about it... or find a way to deal constructively with it.
Disinformation != Misinformation != Information
To hear your defeatest talk, Reddit has won. Survival of the fittest and all.
I think we can do better. But never by ignoring the consent of the governed. Perhaps by listening to people, a way could be found to move forward? e.g. by allowing a true block of all users from an instance, as an alternative to defederation. Which Lemmy will likely never do, despite their promises for years and years to do exactly that.
i.e. it's a skill issue. Do better.
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It wasn't due to only one instance, but more so the way federation works. They got tired of seeing a few political posts when trying to explore what the federated feed has and I ended up doing some work to help them curate a personal feed and set up for things they enjoy the most.
I've helped them curate what they want to see. But since there are so many copies of communities that have varying levels of activity that's what also put them off of using it as a core platform.
PieFed helps solve that with categories of communities, and also by gathering together all comments across all cross-posts. Seriously, it's an enormous difference, check it out, e.g. on PieFed.social.
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You can whine about it... or find a way to deal constructively with it.
Disinformation != Misinformation != Information
To hear your defeatest talk, Reddit has won. Survival of the fittest and all.
I think we can do better. But never by ignoring the consent of the governed. Perhaps by listening to people, a way could be found to move forward? e.g. by allowing a true block of all users from an instance, as an alternative to defederation. Which Lemmy will likely never do, despite their promises for years and years to do exactly that.
i.e. it's a skill issue. Do better.
Its not defeatism. Its a basic understanding of how systems work, which you clearly don't have. You being obtuse doesn't change that. You and I can't change the issue at play. Without scale, lemmy dies. Its not a debate and its killed plenty of projects long before it.
In other words, hope in one hand and shit in the other; see which one fills up first.
Without growing the user base, this project dies. Its not a debate.
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Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content
yeah, i've been thinking about the same thing. how to properly embed mastodon content into Lemmy? Maybe one community for each poster? Is that the right approach?
Or should one Mastodon hashtag turn into one Lemmy community?
This is something I think whatever lemmy 2.0 is going to be really needs to focus on.
Just be a content aggregator for ALL of the fediverse. Everything. One feed.
Or maybe more clever ways of integrating. But right now, we're still relying on video mostly from YT (not peertube) and screenshots of things happening on mastodon. We need more connective tissue.
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Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content
yeah, i've been thinking about the same thing. how to properly embed mastodon content into Lemmy? Maybe one community for each poster? Is that the right approach?
Or should one Mastodon hashtag turn into one Lemmy community?
Interestingly each community shows up kind of like a user in Mastodon.
I think hashtags should be communities but I can see from an ActivityPub POV that would be difficult to dynamically create. Worth while though.
It also makes sense that a mastodon user should kind of look like a community or a maybe user in Lemmy but I personally don't like following people and much rather follow topics.
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PieFed helps solve that with categories of communities, and also by gathering together all comments across all cross-posts. Seriously, it's an enormous difference, check it out, e.g. on PieFed.social.
Thank you so much! I'll keep that in mind and I'll learn more to teach others about it!
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Imagine being so biased that you are completely blind to the facts.
Since you do not understand even the smallest aspect of what I said, you are not in a position to make such a judgment.
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Since when are dbzero users racists?
Fascists. Authoritarians. Whatever you want to call them. I’ll explain. They submitted a proposal to ban all “Zionists or Zionist apologists” and I objected on the grounds that it is, objectively, the very fascism they were denouncing. They banned me simply for suggesting this. That’s what I’m talking about.
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Wow. This is top notch cringe.
Everybody is stupid except me
Not everyone, but definitely you.
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Fascists. Authoritarians. Whatever you want to call them. I’ll explain. They submitted a proposal to ban all “Zionists or Zionist apologists” and I objected on the grounds that it is, objectively, the very fascism they were denouncing. They banned me simply for suggesting this. That’s what I’m talking about.
Banning fascism isn't fascism though. This doesn't make any sense.
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Banning fascism isn't fascism though. This doesn't make any sense.
Banning ideas and opinions is not banning fascism. But let’s start over. First, they banned me. All I did was say that banning people for having the opinion “Israel should exist as an entity” is authoritarian. I wasn’t even defending Israel, which, like I said, people should be allowed to do as part of normal freedom of speech.
Second, I didn’t even say anything extreme, like “you should be hanged for treason!” or some such nonsense. I said “you have the right to ban people for whatever you want since it’s your instance, but I think that’s fascist if you do so.” And they banned me. Do you think that’s even remotely normal behavior?
Banning people for their behavior and conduct is perfectly reasonable. Also, if some Israel defender comes in and says “I don’t care how many children need to be killed, it’s worth it,” then I think you have every right to ban them. Advocating murder is crazy shit. But simply saying “Israel has a right to exist” or something similar as being ban worthy? That’s absolute ghoulish authoritarianism. There’s no such thing as “banning fascism” because this is just a discussion forum.
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We got tankies on here, though. Not much better.
Too bad centrists think everyone with any criticism whatsoever of anything they do is a tankie.
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Oh, I don't think I've witnessed one here.
You probably haven't. It's just a word centrists throw around when they want to defederate from instances they don't like for being to their left.
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Too bad centrists think everyone with any criticism whatsoever of anything they do is a tankie.
Haven't seen that happen yet.
