we need more users
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The more niche communities really suffer I feel from the decentralized pattern. Tv shows, movies, video games, etc. you have everyone trying to be the "de-facto" instance and none of them really get traffic.
Really, Lemmy is just a US political platform with some weak notions of being anything else. And if it wants to survive, it needs more people, with more interesting topic. To many subs are just ghost towns.
Agreed.
The politics here is also so hostile and violent, and one-sided. It's gross. Even moderate/chill points of view are mercilessly attacked and told the are awful bad people for not being extremists. Anyone who isn't on 'their side' is the 'enemy'.
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i will say .world has had a massive infux of crazy douchebags the past few months. i have been on here two years, nad it was rare to get harassed/reported/banned, but things have changed recently whatever the last reddit exodus was.
to me it's just general rage posting and rage baiting taking over, from what was a much more chill place a year ago. across multiple instances. but on the flip side, the engagement is way up. irrational rage and hate drives engagement. people love to scream and insult other users more than they like talking to them as if they were people.
Now that you point it out, I think that's exactly it. I'm glad people like you are still around there.
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You are railing about moral issues I don't even disagree with. But there are basic, physical properties that networks have, that are scale dependent. There is no moralizing around that issue. And de-federation can and does occur all the time, its basically the norm between the major instances. And that has fundamentally crippled the growth of the fediverse (at least the lemmy side).
Just because I'm not bothering putting effort into responding to a slathering wall of text like you've composed, does nothing to change the fact that social networks, and actually, all large networked systems from the internet to a fungal colony, all base their survival in scale. I've done the work and shared it with those I've deemed worthy, here, regarding the network analyses I've built to run on the fediverse. Here's a hint: you aren't one of those.
Without scale, networked systems collapse. Without scale, complexity can't emerge.
A big part of this is architectural and we had that discussion years ago here. There are design constraints built into the original envisioning of lemmy that pretty much force these limitations. The biggest issue being that each lemmy instance is built to effectively be an "entire clone" of a reddit like system. The second is activity pub related, in that users can not "migrate" their accounts or community's to new instance, neither can we fork, clone, or merge a community.
The result is that we end up with duplicated communities, balkanized content, and an overall reduction in activity, which further suppress growth. There is no disagreement that the de-federation issue contributed directly to Lemmy's decline. We were all here for it.
You can whine about it... or find a way to deal constructively with it.
Disinformation != Misinformation != Information
To hear your defeatest talk, Reddit has won. Survival of the fittest and all.
I think we can do better. But never by ignoring the consent of the governed. Perhaps by listening to people, a way could be found to move forward? e.g. by allowing a true block of all users from an instance, as an alternative to defederation. Which Lemmy will likely never do, despite their promises for years and years to do exactly that.
i.e. it's a skill issue. Do better.
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It wasn't due to only one instance, but more so the way federation works. They got tired of seeing a few political posts when trying to explore what the federated feed has and I ended up doing some work to help them curate a personal feed and set up for things they enjoy the most.
I've helped them curate what they want to see. But since there are so many copies of communities that have varying levels of activity that's what also put them off of using it as a core platform.
PieFed helps solve that with categories of communities, and also by gathering together all comments across all cross-posts. Seriously, it's an enormous difference, check it out, e.g. on PieFed.social.
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You can whine about it... or find a way to deal constructively with it.
Disinformation != Misinformation != Information
To hear your defeatest talk, Reddit has won. Survival of the fittest and all.
I think we can do better. But never by ignoring the consent of the governed. Perhaps by listening to people, a way could be found to move forward? e.g. by allowing a true block of all users from an instance, as an alternative to defederation. Which Lemmy will likely never do, despite their promises for years and years to do exactly that.
i.e. it's a skill issue. Do better.
Its not defeatism. Its a basic understanding of how systems work, which you clearly don't have. You being obtuse doesn't change that. You and I can't change the issue at play. Without scale, lemmy dies. Its not a debate and its killed plenty of projects long before it.
In other words, hope in one hand and shit in the other; see which one fills up first.
Without growing the user base, this project dies. Its not a debate.
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Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content
yeah, i've been thinking about the same thing. how to properly embed mastodon content into Lemmy? Maybe one community for each poster? Is that the right approach?
Or should one Mastodon hashtag turn into one Lemmy community?
This is something I think whatever lemmy 2.0 is going to be really needs to focus on.
Just be a content aggregator for ALL of the fediverse. Everything. One feed.
Or maybe more clever ways of integrating. But right now, we're still relying on video mostly from YT (not peertube) and screenshots of things happening on mastodon. We need more connective tissue.
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Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content
yeah, i've been thinking about the same thing. how to properly embed mastodon content into Lemmy? Maybe one community for each poster? Is that the right approach?
Or should one Mastodon hashtag turn into one Lemmy community?
Interestingly each community shows up kind of like a user in Mastodon.
I think hashtags should be communities but I can see from an ActivityPub POV that would be difficult to dynamically create. Worth while though.
It also makes sense that a mastodon user should kind of look like a community or a maybe user in Lemmy but I personally don't like following people and much rather follow topics.
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PieFed helps solve that with categories of communities, and also by gathering together all comments across all cross-posts. Seriously, it's an enormous difference, check it out, e.g. on PieFed.social.
Thank you so much! I'll keep that in mind and I'll learn more to teach others about it!
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Imagine being so biased that you are completely blind to the facts.
Since you do not understand even the smallest aspect of what I said, you are not in a position to make such a judgment.
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Since when are dbzero users racists?
Fascists. Authoritarians. Whatever you want to call them. I’ll explain. They submitted a proposal to ban all “Zionists or Zionist apologists” and I objected on the grounds that it is, objectively, the very fascism they were denouncing. They banned me simply for suggesting this. That’s what I’m talking about.
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Wow. This is top notch cringe.
Everybody is stupid except me
Not everyone, but definitely you.
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Fascists. Authoritarians. Whatever you want to call them. I’ll explain. They submitted a proposal to ban all “Zionists or Zionist apologists” and I objected on the grounds that it is, objectively, the very fascism they were denouncing. They banned me simply for suggesting this. That’s what I’m talking about.
Banning fascism isn't fascism though. This doesn't make any sense.
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Banning fascism isn't fascism though. This doesn't make any sense.
Banning ideas and opinions is not banning fascism. But let’s start over. First, they banned me. All I did was say that banning people for having the opinion “Israel should exist as an entity” is authoritarian. I wasn’t even defending Israel, which, like I said, people should be allowed to do as part of normal freedom of speech.
Second, I didn’t even say anything extreme, like “you should be hanged for treason!” or some such nonsense. I said “you have the right to ban people for whatever you want since it’s your instance, but I think that’s fascist if you do so.” And they banned me. Do you think that’s even remotely normal behavior?
Banning people for their behavior and conduct is perfectly reasonable. Also, if some Israel defender comes in and says “I don’t care how many children need to be killed, it’s worth it,” then I think you have every right to ban them. Advocating murder is crazy shit. But simply saying “Israel has a right to exist” or something similar as being ban worthy? That’s absolute ghoulish authoritarianism. There’s no such thing as “banning fascism” because this is just a discussion forum.
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We got tankies on here, though. Not much better.
Too bad centrists think everyone with any criticism whatsoever of anything they do is a tankie.
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Oh, I don't think I've witnessed one here.
You probably haven't. It's just a word centrists throw around when they want to defederate from instances they don't like for being to their left.
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Too bad centrists think everyone with any criticism whatsoever of anything they do is a tankie.
Haven't seen that happen yet.
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Haven't seen that happen yet.
That speaks more to your lack of criticism.
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and now PieFed supports moving posts! https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1653370/piefed-1-5-is-released-move-posts-upload-video-files-better-chat-and-more
So Piefed admins/mods could consolidate communities by moving the posts before deleting the community
oh that's a great feature
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Oh hey, it's worth noting that that particular screengrab is taken out of context and was deliberately intended to make me appear that way. I even concede that one can disagree with Marx and Engels, my point was more against those who claim to agree with them but strongly disagree with the socialist market economy of China. I oppose anyone that tries to treat theory like gospel, that's why I usually don't reference theory directly unless it's directly relevent like it was in this case.
That's the thing, people propagandize about us as well, like the MeanwhileOnGrad crowd that took that snippet out of context. You're doing the same here, by extrapolating an entire behavior of me from a single, out-of-context snippet hosted in a Nazi bar. What's important is that we actually pay attention to what others are saying, because everyone is guilty of thinking they are correct.
But you are a tankie, cowbee. Why do you keep denying this?
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Fair enough. Just grabbed one of the first images a search threw. Sorry if it was out of context or portrayed you unfairly. And of course people propagandize about you too. Anyone with a strong enough voice will get bad faith critiques thrown against them and many will be with political intent.
I do think this is a fair example to exemplify the point I was trying to make, though. Your quote being out of context does not nullify its dychotomical political intent and makes my point stronger.
Propaganda is hard to identify when you're predisposed to believe it, it's everywhere and people propagate it without even noticing.
Don't let Cowbee propagandise you, that's what he's known for, even Tankies celebrate him for it.
He doesn't argue in good faith, either, don't believe such nonsense. Just have a look at all the other community posts about his extremism, bigotry and hatred. He's a Tankie full and through and one of the major reasons why Lemmy is destined to fail.
For example, I humbly ask you to challenge Cowbee on his views of North Korea and Putin. You'll find he is openly supportive of both.
![Cowbee [he/they]](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c18ce632-5fb5-4888-8226-3dc55a07acc4.jpeg "Cowbee [he/they]"){kind=avatar}
