Matt Damon Says Netflix Wants Movies to Restate the ‘Plot Three or Four Times in the Dialogue’ Because Viewers are on ‘Their Phones While They’re Watching’
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The last season being a big mess aside, it was 100% guilty of re-explaining the plot, not just the recaps. Together with those unnecessary "LET ME EXPLAIN" scenes, like Robin using vinyls to explain a very basic concept. They really treated us like idiots.
I was complaining to my family about how El getting a bloody nose was originally used to indicate how she severely over exerted herself while using her powers. In this last season they turned it into the "I used magic and am trying to look cool" sign. I found it belittling.
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Depending on what shows you watched, plenty from the 90s/00s assumed viewers wouldnt make it for the airing once a week. So they did fluff a bunch and rely on "this week's monster" rather than dense series plots. I remember despising dragon ball z (my brothers favorite) because multiple episodes would go by with fuckin NOTHING happening.
I was always mad that Goku would finally make it to Namek, then for some reason next week they would time jump backwards and he'd be back in the hyperbaric training chamber. It felt like DBZ groundhog month.
If you are mad about missing the actual meat of the show like I was, I highly recommend "Dragon Ball Kai" - it's DBZ with the filler removed! -
Why? What the fuck do they care as long as people watch it?
Make good stuff, and people will come.
Good stuff is a hard marker to hit.
Going back to 54% of Americans read at or below the 5th grade level (in terms of functional capacity and reaching comprehension), they need it spelled out.
And this good is slowly being eroded away.
Alien hardly explains anything. Alien Romulus isn't as bad as much modern cinema but explains too much sometimes
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If you watch shitty movies, yes. There are still plenty of good movies being made.
I've watched through ‘Severance’, which is very popular afaict. It's chock full of protracted shots padding the runtime. Either the directors (mostly Ben Stiller) think they're new Kubricks, or the directive was to make the show longer. Idk what Netflix gets from a longer show, when a season is dumped all at once anyway — presumably more space for ads, which are apparently there now. I wouldn't feel much guilty about checking the phone in between any meaningful action.
The only new film that really gripped me in the past few years was ‘The Substance’, which felt like oldschool Cronenberg stuff. Ironically it's comparatively long, and doesn't even have much dialogue.
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All that said, I don’t think the last season was terrible. I expected it to be a lot worse than it was. The actual plot and ending of the story, I thought were perfectly mediocre and fine. It was ruined by the dialogue.
I agree with you, it was better than I expected (although I had extremely low expectations to be fair). The most miserable parts of the final season were the long "emotional" character moments with the most juvenile/amateur/unrealistic writing. I don't skip as a rule, but I really felt like fast forwarding through some of that stuff, it was so cringe.
Pro tip: VLC has the option of running the video at a speed of choice, where 110% is good for pretty much everything. I wish I knew of this feature when I watched through ‘Harry Potters’ and the ‘Matrix’ trilogy.
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Lemmy/Piefed is an echo chamber, and has some structural issues like Reddit. But there's no algo, no advertising, nor constant phone notifications.
And, uh, no billionaires warping "open" discourse.
To me, it's a time black hole, worse than old forums. But it's not nearly as bad as (say) Discord or anything Facebook owned.
nor constant phone notifications.
Until emails broke on our instance I used to get email notifications for replies, which would send a notification to my phone, which would get forwarded to my smart watch.
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I wouldn't have my phone out to begin with Netflix if you didn't start adding ads.
I guess that's why ‘Severance’ is full of padding shots with nothing happening in them.
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I would actually argue the opposite. Modern movie plots are an ADD fever dream. There are so many things going on that keeping track is an absolute chore.
Films maybe, but Netflix appears to pad shows' runtime without shame.
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You tell me:
-are you getting ads/shorts/brainrot shoved in face every single second?
-is the public on lemmy tolerant of sexoffenders? Nazis?
-ads? (Yes, I initially misspelled it as “adds” this guy right here)
-do you have superfluous bs following you around?
I think not.
I think if no public bathrooms are available, then we should be allowed to urinate in public.
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Some YouTube channels do this and I started to hide them in the recommendations because it pisses me off so much.
The constant restating on Youtube is to pad out their video and get more ad spots. I also immediately dislike and hide them because of that.
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I wonder if its due to how closely Anime attempts to animate Manga? I feel like you can kind of "explain" what happens in text alot more smoothly than on a TV show due to how much faster you ingest knowledge.
Often it’s a localization issue too. Japanese dialogue doesn’t translate easily to English, it’s usually longer and has more layers of formality that English can’t express. And they often aren’t allowed to cut the content, so they have to make the English super wordy and explainy to match the long winded mouth flaps.
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SEO was a mistake.
Also the more repetition the more room on the page for ad spots. Same reason so many Youtubers restate the same shit almost verbatim over and over and over; it pads the video so Youtube can cram in more ad spots.
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Bad movies need to do this. You know, the average movie Netflix signs off on.
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I think you're both right, somehow.
Less movement in the main plot, but more unnecessary side plot shit that is often unresolved by the end.
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Or we are on our phones because the movies repeat their themes over and over and over again
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The constant restating on Youtube is to pad out their video and get more ad spots. I also immediately dislike and hide them because of that.
Same here, I know why they do it, but they will lose me as a viewer.
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I disagree with basically that whole interpretation. And the ending was explicitly hopeful. I think you just took it personal that what you thought was gonna happen didn't.
What's hopeful about El disappearing from everyone's life? I'm hardly the only one who sees it this way.
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Or we are on our phones because the movies repeat their themes over and over and over again
i dunno, most people i see watch netflix seem to use it as just another mode of stimulus because they need to always be completely inundated with flashing screens at all times to feel calm
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Often it’s a localization issue too. Japanese dialogue doesn’t translate easily to English, it’s usually longer and has more layers of formality that English can’t express. And they often aren’t allowed to cut the content, so they have to make the English super wordy and explainy to match the long winded mouth flaps.
Yeah I also didn't think of the translation part too, good point
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What's hopeful about El disappearing from everyone's life? I'm hardly the only one who sees it this way.
The fact that she's "dead" means she's finally free, and I'm pretty sure Mike's speech about what if she's still alive was a strong hint that eventually he'd find her again. Every character got the best possible outcome all considered.
